Extinction Rebellion

droid

Beast of Burden
Doesnt matter. These kinds of actions are pretty much our only hope at this stage.
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
Doesnt matter. These kinds of actions are pretty much our only hope at this stage.

Did you ever see the last Dennis Potter thing? With Reality or Nothing? I kinda want it to remind me of that but it doesn't yet.

I've seen alot of criticism online about them but I'm not one of those people. I know what you mean.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
Moral clarity.

You and I are witnessing the twenty-first century’s great crime: a global holocaust whose first victims have already perished. And I mean holocaust, from Greek holókaustos, translated as “whole” and “burnt” – the whole enormity of life daily sacrificed to flames. That is not hyperbole. Driving this crime is the collapse of the world’s stable climatic and atmospheric systems. Fossil energy economies are doing this. They transform the world into a deathly, suffocating hothouse sabotaging the climate and atmosphere. That’s what they do.

Carbon energy kills 3.5 to 6 million people per year through air pollution alone. Beyond that, this crime is also killing people via extreme hurricanes, wildfires, floods, droughts, and heat waves, expanding the range of deadly diseases like malaria and Lyme, famines, and conflicts like the Syrian civil war. There is good reason to believe these disasters will destabilize geopolitical relationships and lead to world war. Every one of these types of disasters will continue to intensify—that is inevitable at this point.

What is not inevitable is degree of intensity. Quantity of death can still be curtailed; we can prevent billions of deaths, even forestall human extinction. But the tragic fact is that some immense minimum of murder is certain. The body count will exceed those of any crimes that have come before. Monarchs and dictators designed the twentieth century’s vast death; this new crime is perpetrated by a global oligarchy – a hereditary aristocracy – a network of governments ruled by a super-wealthy elite. The most culpable among this elite are members of the oil, gas, and coal industries. Whereas the events of mass destruction wrought in the last century ceased, this new crime will endure for generations, maybe centuries.
https://www.resilience.org/stories/...s-of-apocalypse-or-the-seven-circles-of-hell/
 

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
I wasn't involved but I work but the Thames so I was in the midst of it. It felt very small partly because it was dispersed across different bridges. It wasn't a trendy crowd or even a London crowd, it felt very small town, rural, provincial. Very young too. Lots of West Country accents.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Er, he's also a white male...

I definitely have some issues watching the video, but they're on the right side of history. Even bagpipes won't change that.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
Way more crusty than I was expecting, but TBH, it doesnt matter. Theyre 100% in the right and everyone involved is going in with their eyes open.

Widespread non-violent direct action is the only way now, and without it, violent direct action will come.
 

martin

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Widespread non-violent direct action is the only way now, and without it, violent direct action will come.
I don't think fetishising imprisonment and pushing a martyr complex is a particularly good tactic.

Are they even affiliated with ABC or have any legal support in place for supporters who get banged up?

And do you think that working class protesters would get a chortle from the OB after smirking "The arrests can't happen quick enough" instead of a kick up the arse?
 

droid

Beast of Burden
Im assuming they do have some legal support, or that they have been briefed on how to deal with the police and the costs involved. But again, individuals seem well aware of the consequences.

Blood sacrifice has been a very effective tactic in the past of course, plus it makes things very difficult for the cops.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
At some of the big protests in the past they've routinely given out cards with the number of one of the major legal firms known for defending protestors - Bindmans or somewhere like that. Would be very surprised if that wasn't the case last weekend, given the explicit tactics.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I went to a climate change talk by a young researcher-turned activist on Friday - the event was organized and hosted by these guys. It was reasonably interesting with some new info I hadn't come across before, although surely much of it would have been common knowledge to anyone with a passing interest in climate change. The audience, although a decent size, was almost exclusively in late middle age or elderly, which was a bit dispiriting. The audience discussion was also pretty light on practical suggestions for meaningful large-scale political solutions and heavy on well-meaning old ladies talking about turning off appliances when you're not using them.

What was more interesting and useful to me was getting chatting with the speaker and couple of the younger attendees afterwards and getting some ideas for a possible career change into something more in line with climate or biodiversity modelling in the near future. I signed up for ER too.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
You take the vast majority of people out of the modern environment and drop them in nature and you'll notice a positive change...
Without wishing to go hard Monbiot on you, what even is "nature", though? Do you mean the basically agricultural landscape? Or the tiny patches here and there that aren't actually put to some practical or commercial purpose but which still have a biodiversity that's been drastically altered by humans for thousands of years?

Obviously it's nice to take a walk in the woods, across the downs or along the beach, but even this has to be carefully managed, when you consider erosion, litter, dog shit, heavy tourist traffic in the summer and all the rest.

Agreed with your main point, btw - reminds me of the cartoon with the climate skeptic asking the scientist "But what if we're wrong about global warming and we're building a better world for nothing?!"
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I'll set the bar pretty low and say more or less anywhere you aren't surrounded by concrete and metal at all times. At this point, a park is better than nothing.
OK, concur fully with that. A good start would be coping with a rising population by redeveloping our inner cities and building upwards again like we did in the 60s, not outwards with these endless land-hungry exurban non-settlements on greenbelt land.
 

other_life

bioconfused
they let my partner speak at a rally after bugging them ab it ("you could use some energy at this rally, what else is going on?") until she was about to mention what cuba is doing about these problems at which exact point (having asked to read her speech ahead of time) they cut her off so make of that what u will
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I can't say I'm too familiar with Cuba's environmental policies - what did she intend to say about them?
 
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