thirdform

pass the sick bucket
because once there is the perfect there is no quest for the greater than human, the mystic or the psychedelic or the otherworldliness. It is the total subordination of all unpredictable forces to rational plan management for *the production of commodities.* That was my problem with where dnb went, not that it got less acoustic and soulful (that was inevitable really) but that it became about engineers rather than bangers. dnb producers are some of the best producers in the game, technically. that doesn't make a lot of dnb coming out these days any good.

Sometimes the problem with some of youse on this forum is you don't read the blissblogger chapter on trip hop and mo wax where he talks about the UK hip hop heads for fetishising a set of signifiers that they designate real. that can be sometimes the case with jungle. 'the sound got too white' rather than the changing sociodemographic composition of london clubland and london society as a whole. If that wasn't the case why are grime and garage raves full of white people? because let's be real tech step didn't really introduce any new sounds into the pantheon, it just rejigged and intensified certain aspects of 93. that was fine. it could be as alien and antifunky as anything else. the problem was like the intelligent scene before it (which also had a more urbane black crowd) the producers strived for ultimate perfection. that was dead by 97, techstep was mostly dead by 98. not a huge jump there, same sort of internal dynamics. mainstream techno also had a similar problem around this time. all those swedish immaculately produced records basically intended for adam beyer and jeff mills and noone else really. Mills could make those records speak, noone else could, (not even Beyer and his ilk) i'd never play (most) of them out they would sound totally crap in my hands.
 
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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I see what you mean, although one might argue that perfectionism is itself more than human. I expected the obverse argument from you, that imperfect music is loveable in the same way that people are - because of their flaws, not in spite of them.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
As so often these days I think of this

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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I kind of agree with you, actually, one of the things I think died with sampling was audible imperfections and accidents. A lot of genres lose it when they get professionalised. Or - as I think you've also said - you can't hear the life in the sound until you've seen it in a club.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I see what you mean, although one might argue that perfectionism is itself more than human. I expected the obverse argument from you, that imperfect music is loveable in the same way that people are - because of their flaws, not in spite of them.

Well i don't see them as flaws, but i can see that vantage point. I also feel that way about people. i love them with their imperfections yes but people with serious flaws which i see as massive flaws, ethical whatever, they can get the fuck.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
like my brother has learning difficulties and is prone to daily outbursts which massively hinder him despite being 19. some people would see that as a flaw, I see it as something that can't be cared for under our current individualistic culture, but not a flaw. a flaw would be certain people around me who try to micro-manage ppl. and do i truly love em? probably not. it's a compulsion of the property integument. they own where i live, i don't.
 

luka

Well-known member
"So there it is again: the folly and heresy of Gothic, and above all its denial of truth.... For underlying it is the old, familiar antithesis between Classics and Romantics. In the eyes of the Classic, truth in architecture is identified with perfection. The Classical architects of the 17th & 18th centuries believed that the Ancients, by a process of infinite trial and error, had been able to evolve specific rules for the attainment of perfection. To throw these all overboard, to drown them without trace: that was the Gothic heresy. The Romantic was not, however, interested in abstract ideas of perfection. "

The Cathedrals of England
Alec Clifton-Taylor
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
"So there it is again: the folly and heresy of Gothic, and above all its denial of truth.... For underlying it is the old, familiar antithesis between Classics and Romantics. In the eyes of the Classic, truth in architecture is identified with perfection. The Classical architects of the 17th & 18th centuries believed that the Ancients, by a process of infinite trial and error, had been able to evolve specific rules for the attainment of perfection. To throw these all overboard, to drown them without trace: that was the Gothic heresy. The Romantic was not, however, interested in abstract ideas of perfection. "

The Cathedrals of England
Alec Clifton-Taylor

Reading a biography of Eliot atm and this opposition is prominent in my mind, too, and obviously applicable to even the modern split re: the aims of music. Also Apollo vs Dionsysus, which I was going to do a thread on but didn't.
 

continuum

smugpolice
Just did a new mix of some current Bassline:


Tracklist:
1. Kieran Partington & Chris Gresswell - Just Be Good To Me
2. S3 Dubs - Got Me
3. Nadine - Tech(NO)
4. Jonze - Assassin
5. Riton & Kah-Lo - Fake ID (MPH Bootleg)
6. Skepsis - Fingers (Yung Four Five Bootleg)
7. Zero - Run & Hide (Spectrum Edit)
8. Krude x WA-FU - No Time (WA-FU 2am VIP)
9. Kryphon - Problem
10. Deppz - Shelter
11. Event Horizon - The Invasion
12. Redlight - Gold Teeth (Castor Bootleg)
13. Kryphon - Weapon
14. Mindstate - Sway
15. JG - Hold My Hand
16. JWC & Rogue - You Know You Like It
17. Big Zuu - Fall Off (Informa Bootleg)
18. Soloman Eves - When I Was A Yout (Baggy T Remix)
19. Rivibes x Subnotic - Level Incomplete
20. Vamos - Dreamer
21. Kegone - Man Wanna Know
22. WoblaaR - Ill
23. FNS - Ghostman
 

Trillhouse

Well-known member
He had a gallery opening not too long ago, so i think it's mainly prints of his artwork. i dont know how linked together it all is tbh or if it's just a good excuse to get more of his creative output into the world.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Murlo's a nice chap, I won't hear a word against him


Used to live with the guy who runs crazy legs and I think it was this murlo tune he used to rinse

 
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