Multiculturalism’s gone too far

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sadmanbarty

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luka said:
You had a triangulation of dance-rap-reggae.
That was pretty much it. That was the basis of the coalition.
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my position is that we disentangle them. estrange them from one another. make them distinct and novel form each another once again.

also don't start fusing with other cultures.

if this thread doesn't end with me having started a race war i'll be disappointed. corpse's on board at least.
 
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luka

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But they do exist in their distinct and disentangled states. German and scandi techno doesn't give a shit about 'the blacks' plenty of rap and dancehall is similarly insular, not to mention corpses greek music and etc. None of it ever went away
 
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sadmanbarty

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2010's london:

multi cultural music- deep tech, bass house

mono cultureal music- uk drill

the multicultural music was shockingly retromanic while the monocultural was the most innovative uk music since grime


2010's us rap:

multi cultural- drake 'one dance', 'controlla'

mono cultural- mumble rap


multicultural unremarkable and as we all agree the monocultural migos are the most futurist music since jungle.
 
luka

luka

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droid said:
But thats not multiculturalism, its a uniform aesthetic based on capitalist assimilation and regurgitation of local culture as commodity.
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Don't often say this but think droid is making an important point here.
 
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thirdform

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Corpsey said:
Again I ask why is that - is Asian music just too alien to our white ears to be accepted?

Reggae, after all, was an evolution of rock.

I've a Greek friend at work who has played me some of his favourite Greek songs and I'm not even going to say it's awful it's just so foreign to my conception of good taste that I can't stand it.
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microtones.
 
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thirdform

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sadmanbarty said:
2010's london:

multi cultural music- deep tech, bass house

mono cultureal music- uk drill

the multicultural music was shockingly retromanic while the monocultural was the most innovative uk music since grime


2010's us rap:

multi cultural- drake 'one dance', 'controlla'

mono cultural- mumble rap


multicultural unremarkable and as we all agree the monocultural migos are the most futurist music since jungle.
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no, you're wrong. all unremarkable. look a drill beat may have some interesting flutters in the high hats but it's really not that far removed from hessle audio texturally. the most cringe hing is people buying them beats when they should be sold at £1.50 a pop. london and the usa simply don't have any forward tilted culture to give anymore. we've exhausted all permutations.
 
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thirdform

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drill is not revolutionary though. jungle was revolutionary. grime was revolutionary. drill only appeals to you because of some leftover rhythmic tics that aren't even being consciously evoked as a junglist ting. otherwise the productions are overwhelmingly basic. and i don't mean primitive in the junglist sense. actually 93 era reinforced productions were minimally complex. squeezing the absolute most out of 4 tracks. drill productions are just basic, plane, shiney, bland once you understand what in them appeals to you.
 
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thirdform

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What you're asking is for a sphere of production to retain some sort of organic dynamic momentum without being commodified. that's impossible. that is what i mean when i say we live under totalitarianism, not that britain and assad's syria are the same.

that the capitalist mode of production can be said to be the first truly totalitarian mode of production. nothing escapes it. look what happened to pirate radio. had to become macro capitalist and mutate, or fizzle out and be destroyed and become irrelevant.
 
luka

luka

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What are any of us asking for? It might have something to do with economics. It might not. Woebot thinks all innovation is capitalist. That everything good that has ever happened in recorded music we owe to Margaret Thatcher. There's different positions.
 
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DannyL

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Not read the whole thread but I will later - but the opening post made me think. William Gibson wrote something about how today's culture actively prevents the weird subcultures evolving 'cos everything is so interconnected. You need silos to grow something as weird as skinheads, and that's now as dead as the dodo. But I did wonder, when I started listening to a bit of drill if the inward turning hidden nature of the music - and the intense focus on violence - meant that it's not been picked up by advertising agencies and used to sell chicken nuggets or whatever. Just a thought. Like the music chose to camoflague itself, to hide from the zeitgeist
 
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luka

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Ive thought similar things. There is some corporate investment but the criminality has without doubt 'protected' the music, ring fenced it
 
luka

luka

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What do people think barty means by 'multiculti' in this context. I have to admit I don't know.
 
luka

luka

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Does he mean the cross pollination of genres? Are cultures in this context just musical genres?
 
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luka

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luka said:
Ive thought similar things. There is some corporate investment but the criminality has without doubt 'protected' the music, ring fenced it
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It's an attractive thought, that some unconscious instinct led to a creation of a sub genre which would be almost impossible to coopt (because its about taunting people whos mate you've just stabbed to death)
 
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