luka

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The newspapers is of image is very interesting, sometimes immoral,sometimes hilarious, often both at once
This got very garbled. I was all hopped up and overexcited cos dissensus was jumping.

It should say the way newspapers use image is interesting etc etc
 

pattycakes_

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I think moral lapses are universal. Let's not forget that to millions (billions?) of other people worldwide WE'RE part of the richest class enjoying our luxuries while they starve. And I don't think about that for more than a few seconds, most days.

Morality is about empathy, isn't it, and there are so many ways we can have empathy blunted or cut off. Comparatively the percentage of people who can turn it off face to face and violently attack someone is pretty low. Intelligence might have something to do with this capacity, but I doubt there's a direct link. Success (financial, political, etc.) may very well be linked to capacity to shut off empathy.

Pinker argues that peoples circle of empathy has expanded with education - most of us naturally feel it for our family and friends and need to make an effort to feel it for people on the other side of the world (though there are techniques to bridge that gap, e.g. Oxfam adverts on TV.)
As I said before it's pretty complicated, but imo education does not instantly equal empathy. Or (just as important) compassion. There was that experiment game in the Curtis doc The Trap where the safest play was to fuck over your fellow players. They tried it out on their low level secretaries and found that instead of wanting to win, the overall instinct was to cooperate with each other. There were further examples of this nature in there, like a huge game of pong in a big conference hall. What's interesting is that at the lower echelons of existence you can often find a lot more comraderie, cooperation and altruism between humans who have nothing. And I find that often the cleverer you get, the more likely you are to become detached from your feelings, start to see life as a game to play at the expense of others, whether for entertainment, gain or status.
 
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luka

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Do you need the precise knowledge of how you might feel without clean water/in a war zone or is it enough to have general knowledge of lack danger fear?
 

Corpsey

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Must be nice - you've committed crimes and you have to bow out of public duties?

That's like punching your boss at work and getting annual leave from now until retirement.
 

catalog

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I mean, it's great how everyone is having a laugh about what a dick he is, but what about some fucking prosecution, pronto?
 

luka

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The best bit
"People take sex personally
And it's not unusual for its onscreen depiction to put critics on the defensive: if they're not proudly declaring how unarousing they find explicit sexual content, they're throwing out heavy hints that they do it much better at home. Looked at today some contemporary critique of EWS seems to primarily communicate the writer's desire to assert a sexual sophistication superior to that of Kubrick, including extensive experience of really lively orgies. Two decades later however, and with the other evidence for Kubricks foresight and percipience in mind, it's interesting to examine whether he really tried to make a sexy film and failed, or had..."
 

luka

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As you will of noticed the same dynamic can be witnessed on this very thread
 

Corpsey

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Kubrick would be a fascinating case study for the id in art.

Cos his movies are so cerebral and "cold", but also always about the most dark, instinctual aspects of humans.
 

Corpsey

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I mean, it's great how everyone is having a laugh about what a dick he is, but what about some fucking prosecution, pronto?
I thought this was about Kubez briefly when I saw it this morning

Made me think - when will Kubrick be canceled?

He doesn't appear to have been a pervert but he treated actors like shit.
 

Corpsey

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The s&s article, which is trite btw, makes the same point.
That's probably where I got it from then lol

What was the trite part? I can't even remember it now that I've read it.

I sometimes wonder why I read ANYTHING, since I forgot 95% of it.
 

catalog

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I thought this was about Kubez briefly when I saw it this morning

Made me think - when will Kubrick be canceled?

He doesn't appear to have been a pervert but he treated actors like shit.
yeah, just to confirm, i meant randy andy
 

catalog

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yeah i don't think he'll ever get cancelled, cos the films are so good. i was never into kubrick growing up, found it all a bit preachy and grand, but i've come to appreciate his skill more and more as I've got older. he's kinda rare - the films get better on subsequent viewings.

but yeah, i think the article is kinda spot on - he would probably be fooked trying to work in the way he worked in today's climate.
 

mvuent

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The historian Alice Echols claims that the culmination of the 60s occurred at the infamous Rainbow Ricochet soiree on May 8, 1967. And indeed, it's difficult to combat any party (let alone that epic bacchanal) that found Timothy Leary, Otis Redding, Abbie Hoffman, Betty Friedan, Stanley Kubrick, Twinkle and the newly appointed U.S. Secretary of Transportation Alan Boyd hovering (literally, according to some eyewitnesses) around a punch bowl that packed enough wallop to send eleven attendees home in body bags.
did this... really happen?
 

IdleRich

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Sounds like the kind of thing Kenneth Anger would make up in the secure knowledge that everyone involved is too dead to sue him.
 
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