my conflict with patty in a nutshell. I'm all about electronic music sounding ever ever ever more like itself rather than replicating acoustic traditions. if I want to see pounding acoustic shit I'll go see a balkan brass band which is heavy as the hardest acid techno, just in a different way. it's why i far prefer the original rare groove to stuff that tried to bring it into the 90s, with quite a bit of ambient jungle excluded but yeah. I'm fairly selective with my st germain type jazzster house, some i like, most i find bit boring, some i can't stomach. for me the sax has to be like in bebop/hardbop. staccato and urgent. anything too glidey and i think of soho and i detest soho.