poetix

we murder to dissect
Aren't Footloose and Pleasantville more about irruptions of libidinality? Society is repressed, but one person infects it with their irrepressible joie de vivre?
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Groundhog Day is a sort of inverted version of one of those stories.

A rebellious outsider comes into a community, lacking the things its decent people have, and thanks to magical stuff ends up imbibing those elements into his soul.

Actually he ends up also improving the community, because he turns into an angelic figure.
 

luka

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Aren't Footloose and Pleasantville more about irruptions of libidinality? Society is repressed, but one person infects it with their irrepressible joie de vivre?

I haven't seen either film but I think in all cases this is the metaphor the disruptor is using. Be it in politics, in business, or anywhere else.
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
In my mind Pleasantville is twinned with Blast from the Past, which runs the narrative backwards: nicely-brought-up boy with 50s values saves Alicia Silverstone from her slutty 90s self, restoring true masculinity and emotional commitment in a promise keepers-y kind of way.
 

version

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Aren't Footloose and Pleasantville more about irruptions of libidinality? Society is repressed, but one person infects it with their irrepressible joie de vivre?

Does that not fit luka's description?

"They have to represent something their society lacks but simultaneously finds indigestible which is why they destroy and rejuvenate at once."
 

luka

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I haven't seen either film but I think in all cases this is the metaphor the disruptor is using. Be it in politics, in business, or anywhere else.

You have something both indigestible and necessary which causes stasis, neurosis, repression, the civil service, red tape, beauracracy, which requires exactly that to cure it, the irruption of libido, Cummings
 

version

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Groundhog Day is a sort of inverted version of one of those stories.

A rebellious outsider comes into a community, lacking the things its decent people have, and thanks to magical stuff ends up imbibing those elements into his soul.

Actually he ends up also improving the community, because he turns into an angelic figure.

Local Hero and The Grinch do something similar.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
You have something both indigestible and necessary which causes stasis, neurosis, repression, the civil service, red tape, beauracracy, which requires exactly that, the irruption of libido, Cummings

The disruptor (even in the guise of someone like Cummings) somehow always seems sexier than the status quo.
 

luka

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The genital character type can sense, feel, and express sufficiently to be able to experience satisfaction in all areas of life. Because he is free to experience and actualize satisfaction, he does not build up body or character defensive armor. He is not regressed to earlier, immature modes of gratification and thus functions in a mature capacity. His aggression through assertion is available for mastery of work and love.

Energetically and biophysically the Genital character has available movement, fluidity, and flexibility in the body. There is suppleness in the musculature and a lack of physical symptoms and stasis. The natural free-flowing energy is not stopped by extreme tension, flaccidity, over or underdeveloped muscles, and chronic gripping, for example, in the neck, shoulders and back. Body weight is consistent with good health and well-being and not a preoccupation. The eyes are alive, open and contactful. The mouth is soft and capable of relaxing without tension in the jaw. The voice is strong and expressive without constriction. The circulation flows to the extremities so the person can maintain warmth. The belly is soft and pliable to allow ease of digestion and elimination. The pelvis is mobile and able to feel full sensations. The breath is open, full, and consistent.

Sexually, this character type can surrender to a loving mate without problems and has sufficient available energy and contact to experience sexual satisfaction. Integrity in relationships is maintained.

This character type is comfortable in her skin and responds naturally without self-consciousness or awkwardness, and is capable of spontaneity and good contact. Feelings are accessible across the entire spectrum – from deep sadness and grief to appropriate anger and hate. The range of experience is from pleasure to pain, all willingly felt and integrated.

(For Danny L)
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
If we are speaking of an archetype, it seems that it can be actualised in different ways. Connery's Barbarian has spunk, certainly, but Shevek's major sexual encounter in The Dispossessed is a disastrous drunken pass / botched sexual assault which ends with him ejaculating on the dress of an Urrasti dinner party host. He does also have a deep and loving relationship on Anarres, but it's more of a soul-mate kind of thing - eros wholly integrated into agape - rather than irrepressible genital oomph.
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
I'm still not sure if I want to try to integrate these facets, or tease them further apart. Reich would have regarded my nerd-interlopers as deeply miscalibrated human beings.
 

luka

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If we are speaking of an archetype, it seems that it can be actualised in different ways. Connery's Barbarian has spunk, certainly, but Shevek's major sexual encounter in The Dispossessed is a disastrous drunken pass / botched sexual assault which ends with him ejaculating on the dress of an Urrasti dinner party host. He does also have a deep and loving relationship on Anarres, but it's more of a soul-mate kind of thing - eros wholly integrated into agape - rather than irrepressible genital oomph.

It can be actualised in different ways which is why I don't want to tie it too closely to either class or orgiastic potency. The metaphor may be virility but it doesn't need to be literal.
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
I mean I baulk a bit at "virility", but these characteristics, whichever way they're expressed, are classically coded as masculine - on the one side as defective, inverted, misdirected masculinity, theorycels and techbros and trainspotters and so on; on the other side as wanton, lawless, irrepressibly phallic masculinity.
 

luka

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I would keep Odo's analogical mode, and think in terms of the individual as metaphor for society and so have the disruptor as any element which is repressed from the society in question. What that is may differ. But in all cases you have an order which has calcified to a detrimental degree, again, a kind of neurosis. It needs this element and resists it all at once.
 

luka

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I mean I baulk a bit at "virility", but these characteristics, whichever way they're expressed, are classically coded as masculine - on the one side as defective, inverted, misdirected masculinity, theorycels and techbros and trainspotters and so on; on the other side as wanton, lawless, irrepressibly phallic masculinity.

Well we live in a society. but if you want to leave aside the archetype as it has manifested in popular culture up to now and rebuild it for today, then let's do that. Why not?
 
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