What will be the result of the upcoming GE?

  • Conservative majority

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • Conservative minority

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • Labour majority

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Labour minority

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • The Lib Dems are a force for evil

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Fuck the lot of em, we're going to to hell in a handcart

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • Total voters
    20

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Is it bad that I missed this because I was watching the UK edition of RuPaul's Drag Race instead?
 

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Tory HQ apparently changed their Twitter account to this for the debate.

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Tories pretend to be factchecking service during leaders' debate

The Conservatives have been accused of misleading the public after they rebranded their official Twitter account as “factcheckUK” during the televised leaders’ debate and used it to publish anti-Labour posts.

The public have increasingly turned to factchecking websites, such as the independent Full Fact, the BBC’s Reality Check, Channel 4 News’ FactCheck and the Guardian’s Factcheck, to verify claims made by politicians.

During Tuesday night’s debate between Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn, the Conservative party renamed their main media account as “factcheckUK”, changed its logo to hide its political origins, and used it to push pro-Conservative material to the public.

Although the Twitter handle remained as @CCHQPress, all other branding was changed to resemble an independent factchecking outlet, meaning it may not have been immediately apparent to an individual who saw the account’s tweets in their feed that it was a product of Conservative party HQ. On clicking through, they would have seen a disclaimer that factcheckUK was “fact checking Labour from CCHQ”, ” the acronym for Conservative campaign headquarters.

Shortly after the debate finished the Twitter account name was changed from factcheckUK to CCHQ Press.

Full Fact, which is run by a charity, said it had complained to Twitter and said the account should not be allowed to be used in this way while verified. “It is inappropriate and misleading for the Conservative press office to rename their Twitter account ‘factcheckUK’ during this debate. Please do not mistake it for an independent fact checking service.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eet-anti-labour-posts-under-factcheckuk-brand
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
This is definitely the dirtiest election campaign I've ever seen. It seems that the Tories (in particular - though no-one is blameless) have totally grasped the fact that the average voter is so incredibly dumb and unengaged that it doesn't matter if they do something terrible AND get caught for it, cos most voters can't tell the difference between a report on something that actually happened like this and a made up story in the Canary or the Express or whatever. It's like Adam Curtis said about Putin's deliberate devaluing of information so that everyone (or enough people) disregard everything.
 

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I'm hoping it doesn't become a regular occurrence, but it probably will. They're steadily morphing into something similar to the GOP.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
The whole thing is a big dead cat right? We're discussing this latest piece of shittery rather than talking about the Tories threadbare offer vs Labour's pretty decent policies.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I hope it's gonna backfire bigly, surely any undecided voter who sees this blatant lying and lack of remorse will be put off... surely?.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
You'd hope. The Tories do seem to be reaching peak hubris and I imagine it will start to backfire quite soon. It's reminding me of 2017 a lot.
 

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I hope it's gonna backfire bigly, surely any undecided voter who sees this blatant lying and lack of remorse will be put off... surely?.

I doubt it. The public seem fine with letting the Tories walk all over them. I read a comment earlier saying the Tories had to do it as it's the only way they can combat all the "Labour lies".
 

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"I’ve seen people call it a microaggression. But this is no microaggression. This is a deliberate provocation. This a man showing his truest colours. It’s taunting. This is racism, pure and simple. And we see it. #ITVLeadersDebate #Epshtein #LabourAntisemitism"

This is the sort of thing I was on about re: that bloke claiming Corbyn criticising the handling of the financial crisis and singling out bankers was antisemitism. It feels like a case of seeing it everywhere once you've decided that that's what he is.

Having said that, I probably wouldn't give someone like Farage the benefit of the doubt were he to do something like that with a Muslim name so maybe I'm a hypocrite.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
It's doubly frustrating because stuff like this gives ammo to the people saying "it's all a smear" even when you've got Labour councillors tweeting Holocaust jokes or blaming Mossad because their car wouldn't start this morning.

Farage would conceivably get an Arabic (or Urdu etc.) name wrong accidentally-on-purpose but Corbyn has actually pronounced "Epstein" correctly - it just sounds wrong because of traditional American name-mangling.
 

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Two Tories were recently suspended after accusations of antisemitism, Islamophobia and homophobia and nobody seems arsed.

General election 2019: Tory candidate Amjad Bashir suspended over anti-Semitism

The Conservative candidate for Leeds North East has been suspended by the party for making anti-Semitic comments.

Amjad Bashir, former UKIP MEP for Yorkshire and Humber, made the remarks during a European Parliament debate on Gaza in 2014.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50491208

Tory candidate suspended over alleged anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and homophobic comments

A Tory election candidate has been suspended over alleged anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and homophobic comments he made seven years ago.

Ryan Houghton, who is standing in Aberdeen North, apologised for any hurt caused by the comments posted on a martial arts forum but insisted they had been taken out of context.

The party suspended him after the independence-supporting National newspaper highlighted a post where he argued that there was "no credible evidence to suggest the Holocaust did not happen".

He praised the "interesting" research of David Irving, the controversial historian and Holocause denier, and went on to say: "I do find some of the events fabricated."

Mr Houghton was also quoted as saying he did not see how homosexuality was good for the human race. In other alleged comments he said Islam's core teachings had the goal of "world domination" and that some Muslims had big families with the aim of creating "Eurabia".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ged-anti-semitic-islamophobic-homophobic/amp/
 

luka

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It doesn't worry the Tories the racism is part of the package. Some voters like it others are willing to hold their nose. It damages labour because one of the reasons we vote for them is that they're not supposed to be racist.
 
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