I know exactly what you mean, but it points to something I think - people are happier with elaborate conspiracies than prosaic explanations. I've read a lot of the antisemitism arguments on Twitter and have seen The Lobby reposted dozens and dozens of times. People love it. It's confirmation. If you have that as your basic orientation, your way of making sense of the world, that a tiny elite (or a particular state) are rigging or controlling events, antisemitism follows like night follows day.That sort of thread ends up just being a case of "he said, she said" though. Someone saying "it's time for some facts" without providing any sources or proof beyond their words doesn't count for much. What makes LFI more trustworthy than Al Jazeera?
That's a fair point as far as it goes, but it gets trickier when you consider the way this is often used to implicate Jews outside Israel. So yes, of course the Chinese state is seeking to extend its influence in the outside world, but you don't routinely hear about people of Chinese ethnicity in Western countries, whose families may have been settled there for multiple generations, being suspected of being agents of the Chinese state.The point about hidden power, money and improper influence all being antisemitic tropes makes me uneasy too as although those things obviously are hallmarks of antisemitic conspiracy theories, they're also hallmarks of basically any conspiracy theory and pretty commonplace in politics, so to say that it's antisemitic when those accusations are leveled at the Israeli state seems somewhat disingenuous. It isn't Russophobic to raise concerns about Russian influence. It isn't Sinophobic to raise concerns about Chinese influence. It isn't Islamophobic to raise concerns about Saudi Arabian or Iranian influence.
A rare Droid sighting.
I was going to add to my post something like "and then they'll post Al Jazzera's "The Lobby" doc" as 'evidence' of the Israeli state conspiracy' as it's something I've seen happen dozens of times every time this argument happens online.
There's a thread here if anyone's interested: https://twitter.com/_LFI/status/1151099311666728961
Firstly, the infamous "£1m" is totally untrue and utterly ridiculous. The conversation was about a visit for young people openly arranged, advertised and paid for by the Israeli Embassy, not an LFI parliamentarians' delegation
The Israeli Embassy was in the process of organising a visit for young activists, businesspeople and artists. They asked a number of organisations, including LFI, for suggestions of individuals they could invite. The "names" discussed in the programme refer to this
No, I don't sorry. No expert on either Al Jazeera or LFI.Dan, from that twitter thread:
"That so many in Labour are willing to believe Qatari state TV over the BBC is damning. This is a broadcaster that published a video suggesting Jews had exploited their supposed control of media, financial and academic institutions to exaggerate the extent of the Holocaust."
That's a pretty damning claim - do you have a link for this?
I meant to get back to you in the conspiracy thread about this, still thinking about what I want to say.Talking about facts is pointless everyone has alternative facts. I wouldn't bother if I were you.