New weird britain

version

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"Craner is the Lord of Pleasure, the Dark God dedicated to the pursuit of earthly gratification and the overthrow of all decent behaviour, as well as hedonism and pleasure for its own sake. He is the god of obsession, the Master of Excess in All Things, from gluttony to lust to megalomania.

Wherever mortals are ruled by their own unquenchable desires, the Dark Prince of Chaos is there in the shadows, whispering, tempting, and feasting on a banquet of souls.

But this is true in all things, not just carnal pleasures. Those who desire to indulge in the finest culinary delights, the most beautiful artworks, even the most sensual clothing, could all be amongst Craner's disciples."
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
It’s all much much healthier than people being dubstep DJs and producers.

gotta disagree here chief, this just seems to be all old authentocrats. I'd rather someone in the dubstep scene do something i absolutely loathe for it to galvanise me. Often the shit we don't like is a bigger influence on us than the shit we like. which was my disagreement with drill of course. It was good music, I liked it. People thought I didn't like it when all i was saying is it was not as revolutionary as people made it out to be. Perfectly good stuff, you know. but there's nothing to rebel against in drill. When it became 1-xtrified, nothing really changed in its basic rhythmic/melodic chassy, only the lyrics got dumb diet coke ads.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
@woops hates that alien jams woman now cos she's left him of the bill of a few nights they put on even though he has released albums on their label

I have no view on this beef but usually if I'm trollied out of my gord i still remember dj sets and her set at a night i was at i have no memory of, absolutely zilch, but oddly enough, despite having drunk more and done 3 garys, jerome hill's set afterwards stuck in my head hugely.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I think she's Canadian. they always love 70s space music there a bit too much. it all eventually becomes lighter than a feather. I prefer darker spacetravel.


This is what trance should sound like.
 

Simon silverdollarcircle

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I like some of this stuff but I always think it's music that often sounds better when it's written about than it actually sounds, if that makes sense

A few writers can talk a really good game when it comes to this sort of stuff. Byron coley, Kiran on the low company mailouts, fuck even david keenan. There's something about this music that lends itself to wild and exciting prose even though when you listen to it sometimes it's just another drone record with toy instruments or whatever

I don't think thats unique to this kind of outsider-y music but it's just reached a very fine, honed pitch. Which is interesting in that the scene is ideologically very anti PR, would say it hates hype and spin, but there's a very subtle and engaging hype machine behind it all.

I guess what you profess to hate is also what's deepest inside you, right?
 

woops

is not like other people
I like some of this stuff but I always think it's music that often sounds better when it's written about than it actually sounds, if that makes sense

A few writers can talk a really good game when it comes to this sort of stuff. Byron coley, Kiran on the low company mailouts, fuck even david keenan. There's something about this music that lends itself to wild and exciting prose even though when you listen to it sometimes it's just another drone record with toy instruments or whatever

I don't think thats unique to this kind of outsider-y music but it's just reached a very fine, honed pitch. Which is interesting in that the scene is ideologically very anti PR, would say it hates hype and spin, but there's a very subtle and engaging hype machine behind it all.

I guess what you profess to hate is also what's deepest inside you, right?
this is why the wire magazine was better/more interesting before you could instantly hear all the music they write about
 

catalog

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I suppose when you've been doing it as long as this guy, with a degree of commitment behind all the outsider label stuff, sending dead fish through the post and so on, not really caring if people buy it, making one off orders as people ask for them, you perhaps don't care about the hype machine side of things. That's what I'd like to think anyhow.

Good podcast interview with him here, his voice is the deepest darkest depths of yorkshire

 

catalog

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Clearly he's more old weird Britain rather than New. He mentions in the interview how he studied under Jeff nuttall 75-78 in Leeds, saw the sex pistols etc. To me this is like new wave gone a bit some other way. There's quite a disturbing track on the solo bandcamp thing, the serial killer tribute stuff is not really my bag. But otherwise it sounds like rawer Mark e Smith in some senses. And there's Bob Dylan and velvet underground covers that are pretty good.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Clearly he's more old weird Britain rather than New. He mentions in the interview how he studied under Jeff nuttall 75-78 in Leeds, saw the sex pistols etc. To me this is like new wave gone a bit some other way. There's quite a disturbing track on the solo bandcamp thing, the serial killer tribute stuff is not really my bag. But otherwise it sounds like rawer Mark e Smith in some senses. And there's Bob Dylan and velvet underground covers that are pretty good.

I think that’s true about old weird but that’s great, the multi-generational thing. Ceramic Hobs had super young members and also one who had been in The Membranes.

I was at the Smell and Quim London gig in the mid 90s that everyone raves about and it was a genuine WTF moment.
 

catalog

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Yeah I'm just discovering this stuff for the first time tbh, don't really know too much about it outside the handful of gigs I've been to in Manchester and Leeds (seen evil moisture, culver, ashtray nav and others, really impressed by their live shows). And yeah, yer totally right, what keeps these bands going is the continued fresh members.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Would be interested in hearing more about that ledge s&q night, I'll have a search round online

It’s mentioned in a previous episode of that podcast but I can’t remember which. Maybe Haswell. Lunatic times with Simon Morris, Lol Coxhill and the Astral Social Club guy amongst many others. Odd sinister panto vibe.
 

catalog

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I'll see if I can find the episode, those Americans that host it are so wholesome and enthusiastic sounding. It's like dissensus! but some of the other s&q shows I've read about sound truly ridiculous. I like the one where there was an all day festival in Leeds and they went on first and the whole thing got closed down within minutes, none of the other bands got to play.
 
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