It's the spluttering. You know "bloody hell those bloody bastard idiots"
This, inadvertently exposes the core problem of centrism.Centrism is arguable two things; one an electoral strategy and one a very broad ideology. The former would refer essentially to not being a purity candidate and adjusting to the views/whims/superstitions of the electorate; so I’d imagine Blair for example was less socially conservative than he presented himself to the electorate and likewise Brown was less fiscally conservative than he would have portrayed himself in the late-90’s. Centrism as an ideology on the other hand acknowledges that both markets and governments have their strengths and their failures and as such rejects socialism and libertarianism, instead opting for a mixed economy the balance of which ranges from anywhere between Thatcherism or Cameronism to the “Nordic model”.
I consider myself to the left of the centre - I vote Labour, not Lib Dem, and I was pleased when Labour started to move away from neoliberalism and back towards social democracy under Corbyn, however badly that may have turned out in practice. And I hope whoever takes charge next doesn't undo that.Does anyone here identify as a 'radical centrist'? Tea? Barty?
Point taken. I kinda think of it as different interests or hats (or "hates" as I just mistyped, and is maybe more appropriate) which we all have to some degree. For me, there's electoral politics and the history/burning dumpster fire that is the Labour party, Syria/ME and human rights, and anarchism (I find Colin Ward endlessly inspiring) and doubtless some other stuff I'm forgetting. I've never tried to reconcile these different positions into one cohesive narrative ( I doubt I have the brain power to do so tbh) and am normally approximating or jumping between them, sometimes without realising when I type and argue here, often all in the same post.It’s good to have a grip on this stuff but it can be very addictive and we’ve lost enough good people to the Labour Party over the last few years, thank you very much.
It may seem hyperbolic, but its more or less axiomatic. You can check by simply looking at virtually any historical scenario where there was choice between supporting the right or the left. Fascism in the 30s and 40s, post war Europe, Latin America, south east Asia & the Middle East in the 60s/70s & 80s... there's so many examples it would redundant to even begin listing them. The 'centre' has consistently favoured totalitarians, death squads & fascists over even the mildest of socialist alternatives. Not only that, centrists tend to be more anti-democratic and authoritarian than the left.And assertions that liberals or centrists are all in cahoots with fascists is about as worthy of serious consideration as hard-right Americans who use the words "liberal" and "communist" interchangeably.
I get what Droid is saying here, I think though I do think it's a bit hyperbolic. He may have a point in talking about the UK and US where we are seeing a normalising of far right positions and nationalism via Brexit, Farage and associated fuckery and fuck trying to be in the centre if any of that shit is one of the poles.