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UK decries France's seizure of fishing boat as post-Brexit row deepens
Britain denounced France's seizure of a British boat in French waters and warned Paris against further retaliation on Thursday, in a rapidly deteriorating row over post-Brexit fishing rights.
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IdleRich
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That guy goes even further than me in saying that someone simply saying "Britain will not rejoin the EU" is an actual criminal.
That statement - as quoted - is purely predictive, he's simply saying what he thinks will happen, not what he wants or how he will act to bring that about. Though obviously if he had said he was gonna be pro-brexit and try and make it work.or something then, yeah, that would be an open and shut case of clear criminality necessitating a big, coordinated chant of "lock him up!"
That statement - as quoted - is purely predictive, he's simply saying what he thinks will happen, not what he wants or how he will act to bring that about. Though obviously if he had said he was gonna be pro-brexit and try and make it work.or something then, yeah, that would be an open and shut case of clear criminality necessitating a big, coordinated chant of "lock him up!"
IdleRich
IdleRich
Meanwhile, latest figures show that over the last three months brexit has reduced trade with the EU by 17bn. What surprises me is seeing brexiters dispute that; obviously trade with the EU has decreased, that was almost the point wasn't it? So is it the size of the decrease? People saying "Yeah it has decreased but it feels more like 12bn to me"? It's the same as after an election "this area just feels X, no way did Y win it".
The problem is that beyond a certain level, humans simply can't compile and process the relevant data so they become reliant on larger entities to do that for them. But if the entities in question are believed to be - or simply are - biased or inept, and the results they report are rejected, then people really are left discussing issues blind.
So, as trust in pretty much every type of institution or organisation seems to be falling, this is just another example. But I feel that if the BBC says "X has invaded Y" or something like that, then someone can, at least in theory, go and check that for themselves (or get a trusted friend to etc), but if the BBC says "Unemployment has fallen by 4 percent" or "Hospital waiting times are down on average" then there is no possibility of checking this. In fact, more than that, someone might have lost their job and know others who lost it and that anecdotal lived experience might well feel more like the truth.
I dunno where I'm going here, it's just I've noticed that (in my personal experience ironically enough) more and more people are happy to dismiss stats they don't like out of hand - but without statistics we really have no tool that I a can think of that allows us any insight into what us happening on a large scale; if the fx of something were good or bad, if people are richer or poorer, if summers are hotter etc etc
The problem is that beyond a certain level, humans simply can't compile and process the relevant data so they become reliant on larger entities to do that for them. But if the entities in question are believed to be - or simply are - biased or inept, and the results they report are rejected, then people really are left discussing issues blind.
So, as trust in pretty much every type of institution or organisation seems to be falling, this is just another example. But I feel that if the BBC says "X has invaded Y" or something like that, then someone can, at least in theory, go and check that for themselves (or get a trusted friend to etc), but if the BBC says "Unemployment has fallen by 4 percent" or "Hospital waiting times are down on average" then there is no possibility of checking this. In fact, more than that, someone might have lost their job and know others who lost it and that anecdotal lived experience might well feel more like the truth.
I dunno where I'm going here, it's just I've noticed that (in my personal experience ironically enough) more and more people are happy to dismiss stats they don't like out of hand - but without statistics we really have no tool that I a can think of that allows us any insight into what us happening on a large scale; if the fx of something were good or bad, if people are richer or poorer, if summers are hotter etc etc
IdleRich
IdleRich
Just let me say, I do think that people are right to be suspicious of stats. First up they are complicated and confusing and I always find statistical stuff difficult to grasp correctly despite having a degree that says I should be good at it.
Also we normally read about stats in the news which means they have been compiled by one scientific body (who in an ideal world are neutral and know what they are doing) and then passed on to us by someone in the media who might a) have an agenda or b) not understand the science. I reckon it's pretty common for some columnist to see some number somewhere that they think makes their point and then jam it into their piece claiming it says something it really doesn't.
So yeah, definitely, do be suspicious.
Also we normally read about stats in the news which means they have been compiled by one scientific body (who in an ideal world are neutral and know what they are doing) and then passed on to us by someone in the media who might a) have an agenda or b) not understand the science. I reckon it's pretty common for some columnist to see some number somewhere that they think makes their point and then jam it into their piece claiming it says something it really doesn't.
So yeah, definitely, do be suspicious.
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Keir Starmer has said Labour will “make Brexit work” and the statement has certainly divided people.
The Labour leader made the comments during an interview with BBC’s Andrew Marr on Sunday where he argued for “sensible adjustments” to be made to the deal negotiated by the government that currently stands with EU.
“It’s all very well saying get Brexit done, we’ve got to make Brexit work,” he told Marr when asked if he would be willing to renegotiate a deal to reduced the predicted economic fall-out. He made similar statements during his Labour party conference speech this year.
“What I’m not talking about is rejoining the EU, what I’m not talking about is ripping up the current agreement and starting again – nobody wants to be in that place,” he explained.
Keir Starmer has said Labour will ‘make Brexit work’ - here’s how people are reacting
Keir Starmer has said Labour will “make Brexit work” and the statement has certainly divided people.The Labour leader made the comments during an interview with BBC’s Andrew Marr on Sunday where he argued for “sensible adjustments” to be made to the deal negotiated by the government that...
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