Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)
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pattycakes_
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https://berlinspectator.com/amp/2020/04/16/germany-takes-first-steps-towards-normality/
Germany slowly rolling out plans to get back to normal
Germany slowly rolling out plans to get back to normal
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
China's suddenly admitted to an extra 1,300 deaths according to Worldometer. I've read socmed posts about daily deliveries of thousands of urns to public crematoria in Wuhan.
And even here, reporting conventions mean the death toll is probably being badly underreported (ooh, that sounds a bit like a CONSPIRACY THEORY, doesn't it?
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I suppose it's doubtful we'll ever know the true extent of the pandemic.
And even here, reporting conventions mean the death toll is probably being badly underreported (ooh, that sounds a bit like a CONSPIRACY THEORY, doesn't it?
) I suppose it's doubtful we'll ever know the true extent of the pandemic.
yyaldrin
in je ogen waait de wind
China's suddenly admitted to an extra 1,300 deaths according to Worldometer. I've read socmed posts about daily deliveries of thousands of urns to public crematoria in Wuhan.
And even here, reporting conventions mean the death toll is probably being badly underreported (ooh, that sounds a bit like a CONSPIRACY THEORY, doesn't it?
I suppose it's doubtful we'll ever know the true extent of the pandemic.
the best way i think is just to compare deaths per week for this year and other years.
like this graph for holland:
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Exactly. Because that then includes deaths from other causes where people couldn't get treatment or avoided going to a hospital because of the pandemic.
There's been a general increase in mortality of nearly 60% in England and Wales compared to the average for the time of year.
There's been a general increase in mortality of nearly 60% in England and Wales compared to the average for the time of year.
droid
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Excess deaths everywhere are not being counted. There's been about 200 deaths a day in NY outside of hospitals and nursing homes, about 10 times the normal amount. As far as i know belgium is the only country counting everything, which is why they have such a high fatality rate.
Also, some new research putting the from/with thing to bed. 86% of infected people who have died are dying from the virus.
Also, some new research putting the from/with thing to bed. 86% of infected people who have died are dying from the virus.
IdleRich
IdleRich
I don't know what to think about the China figures and their revision.
1. I don't trust the Chinese government (I don't really trust many of them but China less than most)
2. Their actual explanation for the change does in itself sound quite plausible
I wouldn't be at all surprised if China have responded to all of the criticism that their numbers are way too low by raising them a bit so they don't look so implausible and much lower than others... but that they still don't reveal the whole scale of what has happened.
But didn't NY revise their figures the other day to a much higher number and that was hardly reported?
1. I don't trust the Chinese government (I don't really trust many of them but China less than most)
2. Their actual explanation for the change does in itself sound quite plausible
I wouldn't be at all surprised if China have responded to all of the criticism that their numbers are way too low by raising them a bit so they don't look so implausible and much lower than others... but that they still don't reveal the whole scale of what has happened.
But didn't NY revise their figures the other day to a much higher number and that was hardly reported?
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Apparently the UK govt is only counting people dying from (or with) the virus in hospitals. So that excludes:
* those dying in hospitals who weren't diagnosed while alive - and I can't imagine a lot of resources are being put into extensive post-mortems for those who were old and/or sick anyway, in the current climate;
* those dying at home or in hospices or care homes;
* the homeless and undocumented migrants, who are invisible for most kinds of statistics anyway;
...and then on top of all that is the general mortality spike due to overstretched NHS and self-imposed hospital avoidance.
I mean I guess there'll be a reduction in things like road accidents but I expect any 'saving' on that score will be outweighed many times over by the increased background mortality.
* those dying in hospitals who weren't diagnosed while alive - and I can't imagine a lot of resources are being put into extensive post-mortems for those who were old and/or sick anyway, in the current climate;
* those dying at home or in hospices or care homes;
* the homeless and undocumented migrants, who are invisible for most kinds of statistics anyway;
...and then on top of all that is the general mortality spike due to overstretched NHS and self-imposed hospital avoidance.
I mean I guess there'll be a reduction in things like road accidents but I expect any 'saving' on that score will be outweighed many times over by the increased background mortality.
IdleRich
IdleRich
The arbitrariness of the rules is getting on my nerves. You can jog but you can't drive to where you wanna jog, which makes no sense in that it concentrates runners in urban places and prevents them finding empty spaces for running alone. Today it felt particularly bad cos we drove to the supermarket and a good running place is midway between there and our house, why can't we stop on the way and go running?
Also, when you go into the supermarket there is a guy on the door making sure you are separated by 2m as you enter and leave - but as soon as you go in it's a completely different story, everyone wandering round willy-nilly, lots of them with no masks or gloves or anything including the staff - by the veg bit a load of people had pulled off their clothes and started having a big fuckpile, what's the point of being strict at one point if all the advantages that brings are being completely wiped out a few metres away?
Also, when you go into the supermarket there is a guy on the door making sure you are separated by 2m as you enter and leave - but as soon as you go in it's a completely different story, everyone wandering round willy-nilly, lots of them with no masks or gloves or anything including the staff - by the veg bit a load of people had pulled off their clothes and started having a big fuckpile, what's the point of being strict at one point if all the advantages that brings are being completely wiped out a few metres away?
droid
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IdleRich
IdleRich
I love the way that people who say they're in a high-risk category feel happy speaking for everyone like that. Anyway, they're in a high-risk category in terms of their health and age maybe, but probably they've got jobs and financial means that will enable them to minimise mixing with the infected hoi-polloi so they're not high-risk in that sense. And they're being dishonest when they make it sound as though they are willing to die for the economy, it's more that they are happy for people like them - in one respect - to die for the economy and for them.
In Portugal the lock-down was renewed yesterday for the next two weeks as expected, however they did say that they hope that this will be the last time. I'm torn by the way that that sounds hopeful, but really it seems too soon, Portugal has done well so far in that they have fewer total deaths than the UK has every day, I hope they don't fuck it up by being too relaxed when they're almost there.
In Portugal the lock-down was renewed yesterday for the next two weeks as expected, however they did say that they hope that this will be the last time. I'm torn by the way that that sounds hopeful, but really it seems too soon, Portugal has done well so far in that they have fewer total deaths than the UK has every day, I hope they don't fuck it up by being too relaxed when they're almost there.
john eden
male pale and stale
Alright. Back at work (from home) since Tuesday. Just get really tired after my govt-sanctioned hour of walk.
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