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Mr. Tea

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I do think the potential nefarious data issues here are not gonna convince a lot of people. So then will it become law? Are we gonna see another rush bill?
Well there's that, but there's also the sheer fucking uselessness of it.
 

Leo

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but handy when you're out and need to access a website, a map, the weather, train schedules, ticket apps, take a photo, films things, track the distance you've walked, want to listen to music or podcast, watch a video, have a handy shared food shopping list, check your calendar, get an Lyft or uber...

as I'm sure @suspendedreason will explain, life's a trade off. you either give up capabilities on the front end or surrender some personal information on the back end, we each do the cost-benefit analysis. we each both benefit and are adversely affected, in different ways.
 

sus

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and I think over time, like we developed safety measures for autos or any other new tech, we'll slowly find ways to have our cake and eat it too. Obviously there's no way to know for sure; this time around might be the exception and there are some very-much-not-crazy reasons to think it might be (increasing speed of disruption, e.g.). But I also look at past technologically disruptive ages, and the way they've all, without exception, been saturated with anxiety—and I think, you know, that those priors should be built into our forecasts for how things might turn out
 

Mr. Tea

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It's surely only a matter of time before some malware merchants make a site that accurately spoofs the 'NHS' app download site so that some poor sods visit it and, ironically, end up getting a virus.
 

sus

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Fair question, American but I'll entertain the hypothetical and say, mainly because there's absolutely zero incentive to do so, and there's tail-risk that I end up having to deal with unnecessary and unproductive gov hassle. But I don't think this is specific to tech; there are paper surveys on flights nowadays asking what states you've been to; immigration tech like that's existed for centuries; and I'll lie in a heartbeat if I think a real answer is gonna cause me trouble. If the gov can demonstrate some basic competence, I might put my trust in it, but it's falling far short of that right now.
 

sus

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In the aggregate, track'n'trace might be a net benefit to public health, but uh, what I personally am willing to put up with and what I'll begrudgingly acknowledge would be good at the population level are two different things. In part because I trust myself to be reasonably responsible and not endanger people's health, whereas I don't trust others to the same extent. In part because I guess I believe in minimizing encounters with a mindless bureaucratic system that holds power over me.

Same reason I'd hide brass knuckles in my bag if I could get away with it, but also believe a law against brass knuckles in NYC is probably a good thing.
 
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catalog

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Fair question, American but I'll entertain the hypothetical and say, mainly because there's absolutely zero incentive to do so, and there's tail-risk that I end up having to deal with unnecessary and unproductive gov hassle. But I don't think this is specific to tech; there are paper surveys on flights nowadays asking what states you've been to; immigration tech like that's existed for centuries; and I'll lie in a heartbeat if I think a real answer is gonna cause me trouble. If the gov can demonstrate some basic competence, I might put my trust in it, but it's falling far short of that right now.

The gov/state gradually losing more and more legitimacy makes it more and more unstable so our trust is almost completely untethered now.
 

boxedjoy

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the app seems pointless to me. They can't enforce anyone to stay at home, why would anyone on minimum wage being told they're not getting SSP then self-isolate and cost themselves half a month's wages to look after other people when the state is doing nothing to look after them?

also I don't want to have my phone in my pocket all the time and I'm glued to it most of the day. I don't want to carry it at work in case I lose it or it gets stolen. I can't imagine any teacher being comfortable having their camera device on them at all times either.
 

woops

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my excuse is that mine is my internet hotspot, which became important during the lockdown. lived without one and indeed home internet happily for years though
 

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