Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)

[luka]

I blame John Eden

 

[luka]

Barty said he misses you

 

[slackk]

I am more of the opinion that the new strain is more of a convenient excuse for leaving large parts of London, Essex & Kent in Tier 2 despite the fact that it was obvious that rates were increasing exponentially, as opposed to it being the sole contributor towards what's going on.

If you look back to when Manchester went into tier 3 but Andy Burnham was unwilling to accept the quite pitiful financial package put towards the region, London numbers were quite comparable.

Since then- a month ago? - much of the South East has remained in Tier 2. You could argue that Kent was in Tier 3 because of what was going on in Swale & Medway but what's stopping them from going to Bluewater and acting like a knobhead or getting the high speed into London and living life like it's semi-normal. I drove home from work the other week when it was "Wild Wednesday" at Lakeside and it had brought the M25/tunnel/A282 slip to a standstill. They're fucking idiots.

There's gross negligence at play here in order to allow the powerful of London (and associated MPs etc) to continue to live in a semi-indulgent fashion.

Yes I'm sure the new strain is a belter but isnt this just the same scenario as the Spanish Farmer strain from the summer which was 60% more virulent (than what? What is the initial base level here ).

Tory incompetence home to roost again. Shut down the city once we've all fucked off to our winter gaffs for Xmas, let everyone else deal with the consequences.

Now the SE is supposedly in tier 4 till they roll out the vaccine. I'm sure they will use this as a reason to prioritise the financial centre of the country too.

 

[boxedjoy]

I don't believe the new strain is super-contagious. I think what's more likely is the new strain is spreading faster because people aren't taking the guidelines seriously any more. They've been told Xmas was going to be fine so they've decided it doesn't matter now because what's the difference between 18th December and 25th December?

 

[IdleRich]

Much of Britain plunged into lockdown-redux Tier 4 from a supposedly novel and prevalent variant that, in fact, has been around since September and has contributed barely over 1000 recorded cases.

British Medical Journal explains.

This is weird, but I actually agree with you. Or at least, I agree that they are using this new strain as an excuse. My feeling is that they didn't want to cancel Christmas cos it would be unpopular - to say the least - but more and more advice was telling them they should, and, as usual they didn't want to look weak and change tack (which is hugely ironic) but now they can claim that cos of this new strain they are not just changing their minds, but are in fact reacting quickly to a dynamic, changing situation.

 

[IdleRich]

I blame John Eden

This seems too much. We know he is entirely responsible for Brexit, let's not blame him for the C19 as well.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I was thinking today how funny it would be if it turned out that Japan, South Korea and Taiwan had such low death rates because high soy consumption provides natural protection against coronavirises.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

NYT pointing out how UK gov pick and choose the interpretations that suit them (and the dreaded modelling rears its head again): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/health/coronavirus-britain-variant.html

 

[Leo]

@mixed_biscuits I love how you selectively parade NY Times articles when they support your point but shit on them as symbolic of the sissyman lamestream media otherwise, LOL!

 

[mixed_biscuits]

@Leo When it's about science, only because it referred to academic opinion; if it's a hack spouting off, obviously it's a hard ignore.

 

[Mr. Tea]

NYT pointing out how UK gov pick and choose the interpretations that suit them (and the dreaded modelling rears its head again): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/health/coronavirus-britain-variant.html

You really are determined to pretend that you're the only person here who doesn't think the government is doing an absolutely spiffing job, aren't you?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Hmm but you've been quite happy to take what they've said at face value, including all the scare-mongering and dodgy modelling?

 

[slackk]

Anyone who has been running around Kent or Essex recently knew things were going to shit. Loads of people have got it, shops are fucking rammed, roads are rammed. New variant or not something had to give.

Huge failing from the Tories yet again

 

[Mr. Tea]

Hmm but you've been quite happy to take what they've said at face value, including all the scare-mongering and dodgy modelling?

At what point have I ever said "The government says X, so it must be true"?

On the contrary, I've pointed out several times that they spent months dishonestly reporting an obviously false - meaning far too low - death rate. Which is what crooked governments do - not, as you've claimed, deliberately exaggerate death rates, in order to make themselves as unpopular as possible.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

@Mr. Tea Yeah, I think you're proving my point there!

@slackk Essex certainly has not been hit hard up to now, meaning there are lots of susceptibles still out there with little herd immunity, so one would expect the local health services to be under similar stress as London was during lockdown 1 and the NW more recently.

 

[Mr. Tea]

@Mr. Tea Yeah, I think you're proving my point there!

@slackk Essex certainly has not been hit hard up to now, meaning there are lots of susceptibles still out there with little herd immunity, so one would expect the local health services to be under similar stress as London was during lockdown 1 and the NW more recently.

I've "proved your point" by pointing out that I've done the exact opposite of what you claimed I've done?

Er, touché, I guess?

 

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[slackk]

@slackk Essex certainly has not been hit hard up to now, meaning there are lots of susceptibles still out there with little herd immunity, so one would expect the local health services to be under similar stress as London was during lockdown 1 and the NW more recently.

The same applies to Kent really. Given its size the amount of cases has always been relatively low bar the real London commute areas (Dartford/Gravesend train line for example). The big initial hotspots in this spike are Swale & Medway towns (the first place the new variant has shown up allegedly), and their numbers have never really been high before.

If track & trace was worth a shit I think you'd probably find Bluewater had a big part to play in it. Maybe I will find some floor plans and do one of those zeynep breakdowns ha

 

[mixed_biscuits]

In this article, the dynamics of the pandemic due to SARS-CoV-2 in Bangladesh are analyzed with the SIRD model. We demonstrate that the herd immunity threshold can be reduced to 31% than that of 60% by considering age group cluster analysis - Bangladesh has relaxed restrictions and spread among young adults is set to reach herd immunity more quickly, as they mix far more than older people.

 

[WashYourHands]

Mink Covid? More new strains than weed.

Problem is also demographics @mixed_biscuits because the UK has an ageing population. What do you suggest we do, build a giant Wicker Man and burn them all on Solstice complete with planetary alignments?