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sadmanbarty

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1) I have a close family member who was anally raped at the age of 10 who happens to be very fond of pedophile jokes, so there’s nothing innately insensitive or immoral about making such jokes. Gallows humor is present throughout the world and throughout history and doesn’t reflect on the moral character of those who enjoy it or partake in it.

That being said- and as somebody who’s made more nonce jokes on here than anyone- this is a public forum and we don’t know the life experiences that other users have had. Refraining from talking about pedophilia is probably the most tactful thing to do, especially given that some users have flagged up a discomfort with it. I'm sorry if I've upset users in the past with that sort of thing.

2) The pedo-vibraphone comparison is a funny bit of situational synesthesia that some users experience and some don’t. It’s not a personal attack on you Third. I happen to like the vibraphone and also find the joke funny, I didn't take it as an insult. You’ve made lots of naughty jokes in the past (as I have and as Luke has as) so we can’t go around saying that certain jokes are beyond the pale. As it happens the titular “baked bean cum” derives from a pedo joke you made on the Billie Eilsih thread.

Third, if someone has a different taste in music from you it’s not a reflection of some character flaw on their part or their dislike from you personally. The best thing to do if you disagree with someone about music is to agree to disagree. So what if someone thinks vibraphones are a bit dodgy? So what if someone thinks drill has an interesting cultural energy? They may well be completely wrong, but it doesn’t matter. The forum just gets clogged up if you try and right ever wrong and try to convert everyone to one way of thinking (I’ve done this myself and was thankfully stopped by Corpse).

Luke literally made a whole thread about the music I liked being soulless. I didn’t get upset or offended. I didn’t try to prove he was wrong at every opportunity. In fact I joined in and played around with the premise and actually ended up coming up with some ideas that I liked.

3) I don’t recognise this “self-consciousness” of the forum. To be blunt the only user that makes me feel self-conscious is you Third; I second guess myself about posting because I’m anticipating offence or vitriol just for liking a song or having an idea.

This may well be my own over-sensitivity. Version and Mvuent have pointed out that I can just ignore it, which is fair enough.

However Bellwoods is a user we don’t hear much from and they started a thread that loads of us were interested to engage with and then suddenly there’s this thread which- from what I gather- is saying that Bellwoods and anyone who engages with his thread is a “cum slurping cunt”. As Jess said, the emotional energy of this thread seems angry rather than funny or putting forward an actual idea.

4) So how about in future we strive to have threads that engage lots of different users who all express different (often contradictory) views in a light-hearted and interesting way. We don’t try to unilaterally shut down threads. We don’t resent people for engaging in something. If people are enjoying something we don’t burst in and unconstructively trash it and tell them they're terrible people. We don’t get angry if people aren’t engaging with our particular niche interests. We don’t hold on to grudges or persistently try and change people’s paradigms or aesthetic sensibilities. We don’t view disagreements some personal clash of characters. We just have a laugh, post some songs, comment on those songs and come up with some theories. It doesn’t matter if we agree with everything everyone says. Let this place be just a warm, fun place to be. There’s no need for an old grime forum to be clogged up with so much emotional baggage. Its just a bit fun.

This isn't all about you third. I'm guilty of a lot of this as well and I've seen it in other users from time to time. It's just some stuff I've realised makes the forum run better instead of having this perpetual boom and bust.
 

Beagle

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EmpressJess is Barty. LOLLOLOLOL @ you guys thinking it's a girl or that a girl would ever post on this board.

Barty is probably a paedophile.
 

mvuent

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3) I don’t recognise this “self-consciousness” of the forum. To be blunt the only user that makes me feel self-conscious is you Third; I second guess myself about posting because I’m anticipating offence or vitriol just for liking a song or having an idea.

This may well be my own over-sensitivity. Version and Mvuent have pointed out that I can just ignore it, which is fair enough.

yeah also i probably should have clarified i only meant as far as someone not "playing along" with the premise of a thread or whatever.

i completely agree that it's reasonable, not oversensitive at all, to not want to feel personally attacked.
 
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luka

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Just ban Thirdform. Should have been done ages ago. If a dog keeps shitting on the carpet you'll have to keep it outside. End of story.
 

luka

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No way. He's fucked this place up for years while we mollycoddle him. It's not a Thirdform crèche or care home. Get rid of the little shit.
 

kumar

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i want to have an argument about unpredictability vs stasis, but that would mean the framework here would have to be revived a bit cos it would mean that one would have to concede that things marked intelligent or arty might have something in them, even if the impulse goes in the wrong way.

i suppose like danny said, the formal properties of unpredictability and stasis often defer to the affective experience of listing idly on bandcamp, and a general flattening that can come about when your record collection is outsourced to the internet. But unpredictability vs stasis is a better framework than say popular weirdness vs anonymous weirdness for keeping your spirits up and avoiding the future’s miserable hole. Some of my favourite nights have been things you could label as consciously static if you like - look at jah shaka, there’s every chance it will sound exactly the same as it did 40 years ago, although at his age i suppose the unpredictable factor is how long it will last.

I assume most people here are perfectly happy with some music that might get slapped with an intelligent/arty tag, the deserving derogatory association comes from the silliness of reaching for outmoded and boring signifiers of intelligence or artistry to justify a bloated drum and bass record.
 

luka

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He's a fucking cunt I hate him. He's gone out of his way to break this place.
 

luka

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He goes out of his way to piss everyone off then he starts crying when they get upset
 

Beagle

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If Thirdform is blind how can the cunt read and write on here?

If Thirdform is blind how does the cunt know he's gay since he's doesn't know what men and women look like? Asking for Luka :x:
 

thirdform

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i suppose like danny said, the formal properties of unpredictability and stasis often defer to the affective experience of listing idly on bandcamp, and a general flattening that can come about when your record collection is outsourced to the internet. But unpredictability vs stasis is a better framework than say popular weirdness vs anonymous weirdness for keeping your spirits up and avoiding the future’s miserable hole. Some of my favourite nights have been things you could label as consciously static if you like - look at jah shaka, there’s every chance it will sound exactly the same as it did 40 years ago, although at his age i suppose the unpredictable factor is how long it will last.

I assume most people here are perfectly happy with some music that might get slapped with an intelligent/arty tag, the deserving derogatory association comes from the silliness of reaching for outmoded and boring signifiers of intelligence or artistry to justify a bloated drum and bass record.

Sure, i agree with all of that, but outsourcing your record collection to youtube is a similar kind of affective experience, in some respects its worse because youtube tallies up views and that is supposed to indicate real world popularity, whereas the radio still had that element of unpredictability to it. flick the dial a bit from capital fm and you might get some garage or grime.

There's always been ways to manufacture a popular taste. and again I don't think this should be devalued inherently, well, the manufacturing should, but i don't think things have drastically changed with the advent of streaming, all that has happened is our geography has been expanded. it's a boot in the parochialist logic.
 

sadmanbarty

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maybe the mods could suspend beagle just while we have this collective meltdown. i don't mind him calling me a racist pedophile, but mocking someone's blindness a bit unpleasant.
 

thirdform

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the reason why people are miserable about the future is because we got there. and most of the marketing around it was false. it was the solitary future that techstep presented. we are there. We got to the future.
 
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