Later Rolling Stones Masterpieces

craner

craner

Beast of Burden
luka said:
Craner do you remember this? Me and Jim said we needed to go toilet and could we pull up at this pub and we ran in, had a piss and then tried to neck a pint without you noticing
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Of course I do, I was furious! Sitting in the car for about 10 minutes waiting for you, until I snapped and found you both sitting with pints, giggling.
 
craner

craner

Beast of Burden
50.

The Rolling Stones, 'Shine a Light'

Complicated topic.

It’s interesting that Keith Richards is venerated these days as the authentic heart of the Stones, the grizzled blues veteran in the mold of his Delta heroes, while Mick Jagger is ridiculed and belittled as the pantomime dame, the poseur, the shagger, the glorified tour manager obsessed with milking profit from stadiums (and shagging). Yeah, right! What, are we supposed to see this all through Keith’s eyes? Are we that weak-minded and craven? What are we, Johnny Depp?

Apart from also being interested in money, Keith is as much of a poseur as Mick, in fact more so because it takes way more work and attention to detail to maintain an image of authenticity in the way that he does. It is worth pointing out that most, if not all, of the bad bits in Stones songs are caused by Mick (although I wouldn’t absolve Ronnie Wood of all blame on that score); but then again, in a perverse way, some of their greatest strengths are also down to Jagger. Ridiculous and venal as he is, he is also a great energizer, a lodestar.

He’s also a fucking funny counterpoint to Keith’s worst Rock and Roll hard man affectations. When punk came along, Keith was temporarily affronted and scared shit-less by the challenge to his credibility, while Mick just sort of shrugged it off, all part of the exciting milieu that formed the backdrop to his international shagging quest: “New York and London, too. Paris—there was punk there. Lots of dance music. Paris and New York had all this Latin dance music, which was really quite wonderful. Much more interesting than the stuff that came afterward.” It was kind of hilarious, too, when Mick tried to make the Stones go disco, to Keith's slow-burning fury (he still talks about it!). Then again, have you tried listening to Some Girls lately? It’s shit.

Anyway, this doesn’t matter to most sensible people who couldn’t give a fuck about Mick or Keith. That would include me, except for Exile on Main Street. I love this album. I am a bit obsessed with this album, actually. It helps that Mick was semi-detached from it, as he was too busy chasing Bianca Pérez-Mora Macías all around St Tropez and Cannes, leaving Keith alone to create his magnum opus. It also helps that Mick’s vocals are mixed down, finding a natural center within this awesome extended band of gospel singers, Bobby Keys, Jimmy Miller etc. Mick Taylor is at the peak of his powers. It sounds like a different band to the pantomime horse of later years, the Stones where Mick seems to loom out like a gargoyle or smear himself across the songs like glue.

This thing that Keith made is like the thing that Lindsey Buckingham made when left to his own devices: like Tusk, Exile is greater than the sum of its parts, a weird rattle bag of odd bits among pieces of great beauty. Luke thinks this is all stale beer and fags, but it’s actually fine wines, expensive drugs, free hookers, and antique art in French villas. It’s big, thrilling, murky, elegant and decadent. What an album!

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I said, a year ago.
 
luka

luka

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version said:
Afterword by luka.
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"It's always gratifying to see a project come to fruition and so it is with 'Oliver' Craner. When I found him he was far from the polished specimen you see today but I could see something there and resolved to mentor him, slowly building up his confidence and his technique, smoothing the rough edges and, in short, making him the finished product, not just as an artist, but as a man. It wasn't always smooth sailing but once I start a job I won't quit until it has been completed. I think you will agree that this short e-book proves beyond all doubt, that my work is done. Bravo 'Oliver'!"
 
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catalog

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I feel like I could start a thread on the stone roses in this new atmosphere where we all can at last admit the hardcore continuum is a made up thing and mostly rubbish
 
luka

luka

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Matthew can do what he wants, for better or for worse, for everyone else there are very strict laws in force.
 
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blissblogger

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Matthew said:
love it.

BUT let's not forget "it was mad cyril" "we've been curteous"

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actually you are right there - that is wonderful.

The whole soundtrack is great isn't it. i did a little thing on it for the Pitchfork Top Soundtracks List.

Merry Clayton is hair-raising on her tunes on that.
 
Woebot

Woebot

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catalog said:
I feel like I could start a thread on the stone roses in this new atmosphere where we all can at last admit the hardcore continuum is a made up thing and mostly rubbish
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it's a fine line isn't it? i mean i don't want to get in trouble with luke - it is his tree house after all... i think there are possibly intelligent things to be said about the stone roses? with the stones there is that catheter to the nasty and bizarre still.
 
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catalog

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I've been trying to find an interview they did on telly, where they are literally staring at the floor and being completely non responsive. And hair covering their eyes. They look like this a lot of the time, but on this particular one, it's really striking. It's the one that's on one of the video compilations.

I've been thinking about the squire/Brown partnership. I've always liked Ian brown, but maybe it was all John squire. I like his paintings. I know almost nothing about him except that he was massively into Gak and mountain biking
 
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mvuent

Void Dweller
catalog said:
I've been trying to find an interview they did on telly, where they are literally staring at the floor and being completely non responsive. And hair covering their eyes. They look like this a lot of the time, but on this particular one, it's really striking. It's the one that's on one of the video compilations.
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literally every band has an interview like that though
 
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catalog

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Yes but this is the best one ever. It's the most Manchester one. It's better than the autechre ones. I'll find it and post it.
 
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mvuent

Void Dweller
catalog said:
good for you. in contrast, the melodies in electronic music are of huge importance to me
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catalog said:
i favour simplicity in music, as a general rule
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catalog said:
I feel like I could start a thread on the stone roses in this new atmosphere where we all can at last admit the hardcore continuum is a made up thing and mostly rubbish
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wish you'd said all this before i spent five posts pitching new build to you. smh.
 
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