it's beyond just despotic - that is intensely dystopian, and everything I am againstan algorithmically optimized and unified worldview/ideology/toolbox that would come to supplant one's life
From what I can tell so far, it seems like these "new" positions/ideologies (I am equating those two here, as in a position on some map/plane of ideology) would differ primarily in they better integrate their opposition into their theses. That is, instead of taking a position and just asserting that other positions are ignorant/uninformed, this new kind of position would acknowledge its dependency on the others, and vice versa. It could actually be a step away from despotism, in that sense.Any idea what kind of worldviews and ideologies you have in mind?
I don't want to dance around this, but this is precisely why I try to give the disclaimers that I give ("Not sure if I would firmly defend this or that articulation" etc)it's beyond just despotic - that is intensely dystopian, and everything I am against
and not against in the it's not actually serious way of arguing about music on a message board, but dead serious, every fiber of my being against
it's not very serious here - because it is just a message board - but it's the true nightmare vision of the general irl near and further future
Again, not sure how much I would get behind this argument Im about to make, but: doesn't this tech-bro wave, even if it has already become a tsunami, only promise to become exponentially more pronounced? Part of what I;m arguing is that we need to, in a sense, appropriate the algorithm in the interest of paving a new multiplicity of roads, rather than waiting for the techno-capitalist algorithm to consolidate any remaining plurality into a single road. What I'm talking about is building a new arena around the algorithm, so as to enable contest, rather than just wait for it to crystalize its despotism - which is precisely where it is heading.the regular looming dystopian future of rule by a tiny tech-bro elite over a large mass of proles on UBI is bad enough
this is like, orders of magnitude worse
I think so too, and that is, hopefully, where I am heading. Quite simply, I am just experiencing difficulty in expressing much of it in ways that are not dense or obfuscating. And that's because I'm experiencing difficulty in understanding it myself. Hopefully a better way of articulation will come with a better understanding, and that will just take work. Luckily, I have to the time to do it.also @constantescape due respect for the effort but I offer you the constructive criticism to pare your writing way, way down
or, do what you want of course but
I guarantee you that your ideas - whether I agree with them or not - would come across significantly better without the endless blocks of text
What you have in mind sounds a bit like Aleksei Gastev's 'Social Engineering Machine'.
So it sounds like you want to resynthesize what already exists, but with tethers to gently guide the subjects towards the ideals agreed upon by some kind of board? (Made up of who, decided or voted in by who?)
Even though super computers may offer much more sophistication than anything before, any effort in that direction, ever, either ended up falling apart or much much worse. There's never going to be a one size fits all made by code. And even if there were, going back to my point in the resistance thread, I'd rather have the flawed human code than anything thought up by some nerds in a lab.
If however, it were possible to dip in, just to check out whole new realities, like go on a holiday to a Gaudi designed star system or back in time, virtually, I'd be up for that. But, DFW once warned that we need to be wary of the time when virtual reality becomes preferable to our own. And I think we're already getting there.