Resistance is Futile.

luka

luka

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its the same sort of ground we covered in culture as advertising and in is a counter culture possible.
 
luka

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constant escape said:
Maybe it involves tapping into some kind of collective mind, the swarm entity that actually benefits from the passions and trials of certain rebel figures. That is, instead of identifying as the vaccine, the purpose of which is to dissipate and make the body stronger. From this swarm/body perspective, not only is the dismal reckoning sidestepped, but the rebel's nobility is actually preserved.
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shiels say something very intelligent about this.
 
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luka said:
no, its been something ive wanted to talk about for a year at least. i was provoked by barty saying 'The Man' doesnt exist.
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If by ‘ there is no man’, he means, no shady group behind the curtain, then yeah. Not as if we need to get rid of a certain group and all will be well because the big issues we face are systematic and the solutions must be too ie not about baddies and goodies. Like John Eden said re collective rebellion, and on cancellations, focus on the the platform that enables rather than the people

Following that logic, The inverse image of 'the man' is the rebel, and the same applies. The rebel attitude and aesthetic is easily codified, coopted sold back (theres been a million conversations about this already, I know)
 
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constant escape said:
How can we learn to adapt and "shed" these notions, without it feeling like succumbing to some bleak beast? I think it's possible. Maybe it involves tapping into some kind of collective mind, the swarm entity that actually benefits from the passions and trials of certain rebel figures. That is, instead of identifying as the vaccine, the purpose of which is to dissipate and make the body stronger. From this swarm/body perspective, not only is the dismal reckoning sidestepped, but the rebel's nobility is actually preserved.
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Yeah collective and anonymised creativity has a certain power, always interests me. From UR to Anonymous

Artistic integrity must be difficult because you have to resist the seduction of your own image reflected in the mass. Deluded by your own importance. This kind of links up with what i was saying on the other thread about devotional art vs today’s career artist. Our current idea of the individual artist can be limiting, boring. maybe its something we need to move beyond for art to get odd and dangerous and transformative. Collectives are one route.

I’m now thinking about the rebel icon as a means of control, there’s that idea that conspiracy theories are propagated as an effective way to squander rebellious energy on a load of mystical bullshit, energy that otherwise might go about understanding and overthrowing complex systems of oppression. A lot of this energy spins around the focal point of hero and villain stories, evil men, great men of history etc. It’s a sticky and simple form of morality, very effective, we see it play out in scapegoating, identity politics, and how people think about racism
 
luka

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how serious are we about the non-binary? the end of the Cold War.
shiels said:
Our current idea of the individual artist can be limiting, boring. maybe its something we need to move beyond for art to get odd and dangerous and transformative. Collectives are one route.
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i wouldnt think of it in terms of collectives which are rubbish but to reconnect with art as the shared exploration of a space, a collective project.
 
luka

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our idea of the individual artist is definitely boring and has reached the end of its usefulness. becasue as Wyndham Lewis, among others, kept saying, there arent any inidivudals in a mass culture.
 
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your inputs are the same as everybody elses. you are made out of the same materials. crap tv. billboard advertising. social media. school dinners.
 
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