Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Crowley (I think?) could call her a "hot-housed brat" again and craner could offer to fight him.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Best not to think. Simply act. Since becoming a card carrying alt rightist I've found that when it's time to clear up the kitchen and load the dishwasher before bed, i simply do it.

Back when I was fat, Observer-reading baizuo centrist, the kitchen would still be in disarray next morning. Its like Jordan Peterson's bedmaking thing, but at the other end of the day.

I disagree, in turkey you will be executed for not cleaning the kitchen in a maoist commune. and also walking into the communal housing with shoes. We pwned Peterson a long time ago, not my fault anglos are filthy.
 

thirdform

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Psychedelics taught me that to pursue absurd ideological fortes predicated on notions of division are a waste of time, energy, resources, emotion and life in general.

Who really wants to lay on their death bed thinking “God, I’m so glad I was such a massive cunt in the greater cuntinuum“.

It's an honour i would be proud of tbh.
 

thirdform

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who does, then?

I understand the idea individual capitalists are interchangeable and only "need politics to do its thing"

but they have to pick some horse somewhere to back, don't they - even if they have to create the horse, or the horse is themself

I'm thinking of Berlusconi, Evangelos Marinakis, etc, as well as the Koch bros, Soros, etc

there has to be some kind of criteria for what's in one's best self-interest, no?

the far right. The American right obviously has the support of big business, but american reactionism is a trend full of cognitive dissonance. They are atomised and can only attract fellow far right activists. noone actually wants to put their weight behind them. If this changes, it will be by the far right dissolving into the right wing of neoliberalism, not the other way around.
 

thirdform

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just so I'm clear, you're for a Bordigist dictatorship of the proletariat leading to a "truly" communist society (no money, markets, etc)?

I wouldn't use Bordigist, but pretty much yeah. how this doesn't degenerate into *a dictatorship of men and geniuses* is the great historical dilemma of our time, and I'm not sure if it can be solved ideationally. My criticism of democracy is it doesn't actually do what it is intended to do, by reducing all people to the demos. It's a theological equality, not a real accounting for material disparrancies. So what you get is a formless mass, and people on the left or right, trying to impute self-derived value judgments towards this mass. It's never been more apparent that people are saying democracy has failed, but then to say there's no better system and we must defend democracy rather than (I'm agnostic on whether there is actually an optimal system.) Well surely if there's no better system to defend for you, then it hasn't actually failed all that bad? And this is where class privileges seem to come into play.
 

thirdform

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i.e. what is your realistic answer to the likely dystopic future of a mass of UBI proles under their technarch overlords

as despite what luka may think "just kill them" is an obviously unworkable strategy

not least because it's unclear where "them" starts or ends

What do you mean here? I'm against ubi, but if you mean what is my solution to a reemergent workers movement - especially in the advanced, capitalist west?

Ubi is only workeable from the left if the essentials of life are demarketised, housing, food, healthcare, clothing etc. Which will obviously never happen. I.E: a political question of reducing capital producer goods and maximising consumption goods. Which is of course the first phase of a prole dictatorship, but that would require reducing the work day by at least half to reabsorb the unemployed labour force, and killing off antisocial activities such as advertising, finance, insurance, civil service bureaucracy, state defence, and so on.
 

thirdform

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so i can't promise it will be smooth sailing for corpsey. but if he accepts the pain of losing his job and more time to wank there's no reason why he couldn't be elated after the sharp jab of pain.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Big age range here. Constant escape is 22. Suspended Reason is in his 20s. Limbaugh is in his 20s. Mvuent is in his 20s. Version and third late 20s still I think, just about. Few people in their 30s. Shiels, corpsey. Padraig. Patty. I'm 41. Craner, Tea, Rich, vim, woops, all in their 40s. You, Sufi, Matthew, Eden, Reynolds, Jenks, Leo all 50s.
Edit: @thirdform doesn't conform to anything as conventional and bourgeois as linear chronological time, and exists as a simultaneous and eternal hypostasis of a freshly fertilized zygote, a furious teenager, a grumpy old man, one of Mohammed's original companions and a velociraptor from the Late Cretaceous.
 
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luka

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You missed out @thirdform, who doesn't conform to anything as conventional and bourgeois as linear chronological time, and exists as a simultaneous and eternal hypostasis of a freshly fertilized zygote, a furious teenager, a grumpy old man, one of Mohammed's original companions and a velociraptor from the Late Cretaceous.

No I didn't.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
My criticism of democracy is it doesn't actually do what it is intended to do, by reducing all people to the demos. It's a theological equality, not a real accounting for material disparancies. So what you get is a formless mass, and people on the left or right, trying to impute self-derived value judgments towards this mass. It's never been more apparent that people are saying democracy has failed, but then to say there's no better system and we must defend democracy rather than (I'm agnostic on whether there is actually an optimal system.) Well surely if there's no better system to defend for you, then it hasn't actually failed all that bad? And this is where class privileges seem to come into play.
none of that is controversial or new - as I said (and as I'm sure you know) it's the basic critique of democracy as old as democracy itself

one that has been iterated many times throughout history, more often from a reactionary standpoint tho also from one like yours

in the reactionary vein it's - again as you probably know - the exact argument of yr typical current post-Curtis Yarvin etc neoreactionary

their answer for an optimal system is some form of enlightened despotism, be it actual monarchy, technocratic oligarchy or whatever

which, even ignoring its prima facie absurdity, has a ton of problems, not least basically ignoring the entire history of despotism

I personally am also agnostic about an "optimal system" in the same way I am about God - if it exists, it's unknowable by finite beings i.e. us

and as a great as a "true communist" society sounds, I have the same inability to see how it comes about

as any kind of belief in its possibility seems to require ignoring most of the history of human civilization

and possibly also ignoring "human nature", tho idk if it's possible to disentangle some purer human nature from whatever civilization has made of it

as you say "the essentials of life are demarketised, housing, food, healthcare, clothing etc. Which will obviously never happen"

so we're left at the exact same place as it's ever been - democracy as the least bad realistic option
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
What do you mean here?
sorry, I should have been clearer. I wasn't really interested in your take on UBI, which is basically what I'd imagine it to be.

something more like - what's your preferred realistic solution to the coming crisis of obsolescence for some large portion of the labor force?
 
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