Sophistication

craner

Beast of Burden
It's performative. But then, being a modern adult is performative too: almost every body in a job that has some responsibility has some version of impostor syndrome, acting out an authoritative role in order to convince others that they know what they are doing, while knowing deep down they have no idea what they are doing really and they are making it up as they go along. You aspire to control.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
This probably includes having and raising children too. Except you don't come out the other end of that as a sophisticated adult, but a burnt-out old wreck making plans for retirement.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Sophisticated adulthood was an American urban dream that was superseded in the 1970s. Mad Men was a homage to this vision, and its process of disintegration in that precise location and time span.
 

WashYourHands

Well-known member
Any postgraduate seminar on classical music and any UK Garage night from about 1996-2002.

One group could waffle on about music theory dressed in rags and the other would be wearing pukka labels and drinking posh booze.

It's mostly an English disease.
 

thirdform

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progressive house - sophisticated trance.

Ironically, much bigger worldwide dominance than house as such, huge in places like South America, Lebanon, Romania, India etc.
 

Leo

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progressive house - sophisticated trance.

Ironically, much bigger worldwide dominance than house as such, huge in places like South America, Lebanon, Romania, India etc.
but that's not "true" sophistication, though. sophistication doesn't work up a sweat or have to shout over loud music.
 

thirdform

Well-known member
but that's not "true" sophistication, though. sophistication doesn't work up a sweat or have to shout over loud music.
I don't know, I've never been to a prog house night, but early 00s global underground compillations are the least sweatiest things ive everheard.
 

Leo

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I don't know, I've never been to a prog house night, but early 00s global underground compillations are the least sweatiest things ive everheard.
yeah, me neither. although I can't imagine those comps are less sweaty that Sade!
 

Simon silverdollarcircle

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When we all (individually) sit on hard wooden chairs and pretend to like wheezing sounds made by a legendary improv musician at cafe oto for 2 hours, and don't talk except to quietly order a 7 pound beer with a name that invites a very ambiguous and tentative pronounciation...

We're being sophisticated, right?
 

thirdform

Well-known member
When we all (individually) sit on hard wooden chairs and pretend to like wheezing sounds made by a legendary improv musician at cafe oto for 2 hours, and don't talk except to quietly order a 7 pound beer with a name that invites a very ambiguous and tentative pronounciation...

We're being sophisticated, right?
I don't go cafe oto i like to splice those wheezing sounds into distorted post-acopalyptic techno mixes to offend clubbers, the most boring people on earth next to golf fans.
 

Leo

Well-known member
When we all (individually) sit on hard wooden chairs and pretend to like wheezing sounds made by a legendary improv musician at cafe oto for 2 hours, and don't talk except to quietly order a 7 pound beer with a name that invites a very ambiguous and tentative pronounciation...

We're being sophisticated, right?
I think of "sophisticated" as more old-school: chamber ensembles, piano recitals, early or classical music in general, opera.
 

Simon silverdollarcircle

Well-known member
No they let all sorts in.

But I think as long as you're not really having fun, but pretending you're enjoying it, and seeing what you're doing as some how "self improving " then it's pretty sophisticated, regardless of your class position . Certainly as sophisticated as I get
 
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