Leonard Cohen's remarkably high LSD intake

Matthew

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Is there really any acidic (popular) music before chicago acid? obvs loads of lacerating firing neural synapses early academic stuff.

well all the psychedelic space rock (american, german, japanese, turkish) etc was "acidic" wasn't it? all those rock behemoths from that era - even the biggest of them - pink floyd for instance. you don't get more commercial than that.


as for non technological stuff - i'm forgetting the incredible string band. hangman's beautiful daughter and the debut. doesn't get more acidic.

 

thirdform

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well all the psychedelic space rock (american, german, japanese, turkish) etc was "acidic" wasn't it? all those rock behemoths from that era - even the biggest of them - pink floyd for instance. you don't get more commercial than that.


as for non technological stuff - i'm forgetting the incredible string band. hangman's beautiful daughter and the debut. doesn't get more acidic.


no, i mean, as you were saying a lot of that stuff is spacey or interstellar freakout. i think acid house was the first acidic music, as in body corosive and caustic but also psychedelic. acid as weapon.
 

thirdform

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Although Ex-El featured cameos from New Order’s Bernard Sumner and Björk, for the most part 808 State’s music was faceless, text-free, profoundly superficial. But belying their image as knob-twiddling technicians with nothing to say, 808 State in person were mouthy, vociferous, and in Martin Price’s case, almost pathologically opinionated. They had bags of personality – it just wasn’t a particularly agreeable personality. The first time I interviewed Price and Massey, circa 90, the duo were quick to define 808 State against the Cabaret Voltaire/A Certain Ratio/On U Sound tradition of avant-funk, despite Massey’s own background in that scene. Arguing that rave music had outflanked the egghead experimentalists, Massey declared: ‘Mainstream clubs are just so out there and futuristic in comparison. You get beer boys and Sharons ’n’ Tracies dancing to the weirdest crap going, at places like The Thunderdome, and they don’t know what’s hit ’em. Yer average Joe Bloggs is dancing to stuff that’s basically avant-garde.’

Seven months later, in the summer of 1990, Price railed against indie-rock/rave crossover bands like The Beloved, The Shamen and Primal Scream. ‘You’ve got totally non-credible acts cashing in on the sort of music 808 State have been doing for years.’ Deriding indie rock as ‘peer group stuff … just another stupid way to get girlfriends by going round with a big question mark over your head’, he ranted: ‘Now they’ve discovered that the better peer group is in the dance field and they want to change their whole fucking lives. But they don’t do it bravely, and say, “All right, I made a mistake, I’m now totally into dance.” They stay stuck between two stools.

‘Fucking Norman Cook on The Late Show saying, “It’s like punk rock,”’ frothed Price, referring to former Housemartins bassist Norman Cook, who’d recently got to Number One with his dubby-dance combo Beats International. ‘If somebody says [techno]’s like punk to my face, I’ll fucking smash ’em in the teeth. It’s nothing to do with punk. Nobody wants to see a load of idiots torturing themselves on stage with guitars any more. This is about machines, punk was about arm power. The muscles and sinews in dance music are when you’re sweating your bollocks off on the dancefloor.’
 
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