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an important jungle artist
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
there's like a million threads about idk if anyone wants to go over it in detail yet again
but loosely 93-95
people like Remarc, Foul Play/Steve Gurley, Omni Trio, 4 Hero/Tom + Jerry, Dillinja, Rufige Kru (Goldie), Bizzy B, A Guy Called Gerald, Skanna, DJ SS, etc
labels like Moving Shadow, Suburban Base, Reinforced, Basement Recordings, Lucky Spin, (early) No U-Turn, Ganja Records, etc
that's just off the top of my head, both lists extend much further even for relatively big names
and beyond that the nature of jungle and nuum music in general was such that there are hundreds - at least - of obscure one-offs, white labels, etc
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
DJ Crystl, DJ Hype, Bay B Kane, (early) Roni Size, Lemon D, Photek, Krome + Time, Kemet Crew, Danny Breaks, Tango + Ratty, DJ Trace, T Power
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
it's not the kind of thing that can really be captured in a couple sentences, but that's enough to get you started
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
like other people said there is no real literature or art or film or philosophy/theory dissensus canon
just people who have interest in or advocate for specific things
there might have been more of a theory canon back when there more properly academic people, yr typical post-structuralist biz
just people who have interest in or advocate for specific things
there might have been more of a theory canon back when there more properly academic people, yr typical post-structuralist biz
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Best to keep an open mind. Anything that purports to having a ‘canon’ appears like a sketchy dictatorship. Most sane people might confess that they’re continually learning.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
some of those choices are super weird, I can't remember anyone ever talking about McLuhan once in all these years
John Cale isn't remotely a dissensus thing, version just got into him recently and made a thread as he is wont to do
John Cale isn't remotely a dissensus thing, version just got into him recently and made a thread as he is wont to do
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
oh my god come on man - no offense but that's almost as bad as people who complain about having genre names at all "it's all just music"
canons are about demarcating some kind of cultural affinity, they're inherently not good or bad
they're not set in stone and they're not at odds with continual learning
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
the arguments about a canon are always at the fringes, never at the core
if there are arguments about core elements, there is no canon
that's why we don't have i.e. a literature or film canon here, there's no core elements everyone broadly agrees on
if there are arguments about core elements, there is no canon
that's why we don't have i.e. a literature or film canon here, there's no core elements everyone broadly agrees on
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
it's not like anyone here is Harold Bloom sitting at the pearly gates of The Western Canon denying entry to the impure
and even Harold Bloom admitted that his canon was about promoting his general view of literature, not any single, specific list of approved works
and even Harold Bloom admitted that his canon was about promoting his general view of literature, not any single, specific list of approved works
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
i.e. we wouldn't all agree exactly what is and isn't in the jungle canon but we'd all agree there is one
and I'm 99% certain we'd all agree on certain core elements - Foul Play, Omni Trio, DJ Crystl, and so on
and I'm 99% certain we'd all agree on certain core elements - Foul Play, Omni Trio, DJ Crystl, and so on
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
@padraig (u.s.) Of course there are genres and affinities to them, as you say canons tend not to be associated with film or literature and rightly so. However, you’ll excuse me if I guffaw at the jungle fixation by people often too young to have lived it at the height of its real time powers.
I think it pretty snooty that you keep dropping the not enough postgrad types line around though. It presupposes too much. I enjoy your posts, but when that comes up, I switch off.
I think it pretty snooty that you keep dropping the not enough postgrad types line around though. It presupposes too much. I enjoy your posts, but when that comes up, I switch off.
There's a McLuhan thread and Luka talks about him a lot. Also I didn't just get into Cale. I've been into him for years. I just went through a heavy listening phase after not listening for a while.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
there's no "not enough" implication whatsoever, it's just a statement of fact
there used to be considerably more of such types among the regular posters than there are now
that's not better or worse, it is just is
I'm not sure where you've picked up the "not enough" implication since I've never given it, but hopefully that clears it up
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Craner's aiming for this. He's up to the 16th century now.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
there's a thread for everything so I guess I'm not surprised
I don't remember luka ever referring to him but perhaps I missed it
that's my mistake about Cale I thought that's what you had said in the Cale thread
still, again not exactly a major dissensus figure over the years
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
most of the older heads who've been around since the beginning were there for it
i.e. luka, craner, droid, woebot, blissblogger, etc
and so what if other people weren't, it doesn't somehow dull their appreciation
again no offense, but it's a super lame attitude to snidely look down on people who "weren't there" for something
not an attitude I would ever take, gods know I saw enough bitter old hardcore guys express it in my own youth
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
In the same post.
It’s Sunday. If we were in person, face to face, we could at least have a drink and talk through things in real time. One disadvantage to forums, but I wouldn’t have ‘met’ you otherwise to be typing a reply. Make mine a water and lime is the only caveat.
Me, Corpsey and Luka talked about him a bit in the Nova Trilogy thread. He comes up from time to time, but not enough to be canon. Agreed re: Cale. I just made that thread whilst listening to a lot of him. He's not someone we ever really talk about.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
the only canons craner has are giallo and Eastern European political femme fatales