Borges - Labyrinths (1641)

luka

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You leave the idea of fiction and dream and myth as something arbitrary and arrive at the idea of fiction as something completely real and necessary. You get ideas like Jung's archetypes. Huge cosmic mind expanding concepts, intoxicating.
 
luka

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And rereading this this morning asking myself did this seed certain ideas in my mind or are these ideas 'real' in some sense, or are they woven into every work of the imagination necessarily, carried on through time by everyone who works with the imagination
 
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IdleRich

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mvuent said:
sometimes when you read a story, it's helpful if you can envision a path of imagination that could have led to its being created. over quarantine i've been skimming through an old architecture textbook i found at a university book store years ago, and some of the claims it makes about the worldviews of ancient civilizations are so strange. you wonder if people could really have practiced those customs, or if what you're reading is merely the product of some historian's overactive imagination. i can almost envision reading a paragraph about Tlön in it.
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Sounds like a real life Invisible Cities. Any good pics?
 
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suspendedreason said:
In Pilgrim At Tinker Creek, Annie talks about clouds that you can't see in the sky, something about light, they're only visible in the reflection of pools and ponds. You look up, there's nothing there.
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in the invisibles, there's this recurring thing going on with someone who's got a photograph of some clouds and it turns out
that it symbolises a sort of stitch in time, in that the clouds are repeats of previous cloud sequences. So it's sort of saying there's a finite number of clouds and they get repeated over and over.
 
luka

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You see mvuent, I tried. I did my best for you but you can't get this lot to do anything, sullen, idle, stubborn cattle.
 
sus

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luka said:
That there are a billion ways to dream the world.
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As nice of a thought as this is, I don't think it bears out—there are some good studies of how various isolated or indigenous tribes "carve" the natural world up, and they're all pretty similar. Nature doesn't have joints, but it has dense similarity clusters, and people pick those out pretty predictably, culture irrelevant. The images in Tlon of these idealist, adjectival non-objects is beautiful, but probably impossible.

I suppose the space of Possible Minds is large enough to imagine some big differences w/r/t another species... I guess I could imagine an intelligence that entertains purely pragmatic distinctions, rather than (like ours) being dominated at low levels by property features, and at higher levels by pragmatism.
 
luka

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suspendedreason said:
As nice of a thought as this is, I don't think it bears out—there are some good studies of how various isolated or indigenous tribes "carve" the natural world up, and they're all pretty similar. Nature doesn't have joints, but it has dense similarity clusters, and people pick those out pretty predictably, culture irrelevant. The images in Tlon of these idealist, adjectival non-objects is beautiful, but probably impossible.

I suppose the space of Possible Minds is large enough to imagine some big differences w/r/t another species... I guess I could imagine an intelligence that entertains purely pragmatic distinctions, rather than (like ours) being dominated at low levels by property features, and at higher levels by pragmatism.
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😂 thanks Gus looool!
 
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