Corpsey

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It's genuinely hard to make sense of regional scenes from a UK vantage point, this is partly to do with distribution networks. We just didn't get to hear the stuff here if it wasn't on a NY to London pipeline. I recommend getting stoned with Americans while listening, that helps, they hear it different.

This book, as recommended by @CrowleyHead, is great for throwing some light on that for an outsider (when it comes to the south, at least)

 

catalog

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the actual language has changed a lot since our day, but also the rhythmic language. very few rappers you hear now want to 'fit' into the bars, everything is deliberately awakward and ungainly. having said all that, the goodie mobb is like that too lol
i feel like the goodie mob one is actually good at fitting the bars, but there you go
 

catalog

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i feel like i will never read another book about music. i used to read loads, when i was a teenager and in early 20s. it fizzled out around then, like airwalk trainers. just can't see it.

i sent my friend barty's book tho and he said he liked it, said it was out there and making him appreciate certain artists he;s never heard of before. so imight read that when he's done.

i know i should read a reynolds or two.
 

catalog

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you mean like when he's saying he shouldn't smoke but he does, and he goes very in on the "doooooo"?

leaning into the bar almost. to an extent beyond what is required. but which is great.
 

catalog

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'This was and might still be music fandom for me. If you can will it, deliberately alter the way you expose yourself to pieces of music, you can make major changes to the preferences once thought to be immutable aspects of the self. And its a visceral and base change, you feel it in your gut, not just a heady 'appreciation.' Music was very formative for me in that way, it showed me the self as a laboratory or switchboard, and that experiences can be reality modulators. used, not consumed' Charles Wainscot Limburger

I think sadly i'm too old to have myself siginificantly rewired in any way.
 

luka

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too old to get a proper erection, too old not to get up to go for a piss at night, too old to climb the stairs without a pause midway?... maybe. But you can still reprogram the human biocomputer.
 

catalog

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one of my major touchstone hip hop albums is he beastie boys 'ill communication'. i bought the cd off my mate ben for a fiver (shout out mr b) and the first 6 or 7 tracks on that cd are still gold imo. to this day 'get it together' is one where i can impromptu do all the verses.

i know they are now considered naff but it was still a good moment when i saw em live at v97. although prodge were better and in some ways it was a changing of the guard, cos it was when they had 'smack my bitch up' and besties had asked them not to play it. but they went ahead and played it and i respected that give no fucks attitude from them
 

DannyL

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the actual language has changed a lot since our day, but also the rhythmic language. very few rappers you hear now want to 'fit' into the bars, everything is deliberately awakward and ungainly. having said all that, the goodie mobb is like that too lol
This is like one of the best things about rap, the way its ceaselessly reinventing itself. It's one of the things I really enjoy, getting a WTAF moment, though I know I'm too old to dedicate myself to pursuing life's meaning through nerding out on a rap subgenre anymore, I still get hit like that fairly often.
 

forclosure

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I sort of like how this one doesn't really progress from a walking/intro pace. Like it starts, you think it's gonna go somewhere, but it just stays where it is. It confounds expectations a little.

I cant get much of a sense of the lyrics at all. The beat is OK, I like the minimal nature of it, but it's maybe a little too sparse?

And the tune itself is very short, feels like it's over just as it gets started.
think i'll start with this one as it's the more recent of the two, Drakeo the Ruler's a LA rapper, the leader of the Stinc Team crew alongside his brother Ralphy the Plug, he's one of the main figures of a certain style of West Coast rap that incorporates trap/Detriot rap style production and the rapping style from out of that part of the midwest aswell.

I like when rappers have their own descriptors for their music and he calls his shit "nervous music" him 03 Greedo Frostydasnowmann,1takejay,Rucci, Ohgeesy(formerly of Shoreline Mafia) who i'm not really into they're all names associated with that, Drakeo was active slighty before some of them but couple years back he got derailed cause of a gun charge and they had him locked under solitary, he put out an album last year while he was locked up made up of over the phone raps.

Ontop of that he's a stylist you listen to him rap and he sounds like he's half asleep but when his flow sinks in you realise he's got a really percussive flow and his lyrics are filled surprisingly brutal violence,put downs and jokes at the expense of his ops and all these interesting little snapshots and flamboyant language that feel a million miles away from how deadpan his delivery is and how ice cold and menacing the beats he tends to rap over, there's a strange subtlety to it. (i know Luke's gone on in the past about how he doesn't like Roc Marciano but he's really good at that aswell imo)

He's like E-40,Suga free or even Young Dro if you remember him in that sense, shit like "flu flammin" "shenaenae's" "pippi longstocking" "big bank uuchies" like the best rap it all sounds nonsensical at first but stick with it and it makes more and more sense through context.
 

forclosure

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one of my major touchstone hip hop albums is he beastie boys 'ill communication'. i bought the cd off my mate ben for a fiver (shout out mr b) and the first 6 or 7 tracks on that cd are still gold imo. to this day 'get it together' is one where i can impromptu do all the verses.

i know they are now considered naff but it was still a good moment when i saw em live at v97. although prodge were better and in some ways it was a changing of the guard, cos it was when they had 'smack my bitch up' and besties had asked them not to play it. but they went ahead and played it and i respected that give no fucks attitude from them
aah you see between this and you talking about you initially got turned off of rap cause of lanky dons trying to school you on what "real rap" was this all makes sense.

Reminds me of Americans i talk to who still have PTSD over the fact that some lad in the Netherlands was really adamant about how we should be talking to some 3rd rate middling J Dilla associate over T.I. on some long dead rap forum back in 2003
 

forclosure

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It's funny though for somebody who considers themselves an "old dog" to prefer hearing British voices on the mic to American ones, that's the kind of thinking that people tend to associate with younger listeners who've grown up with UK rap and didn't have to "endure" the days of groups like Gunshot and Cookie Crew like some people on here did.
 

catalog

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It's funny though for somebody who considers themselves an "old dog" to prefer hearing British voices on the mic to American ones, that's the kind of thinking that people tend to associate with younger listeners who've grown up with UK rap and didn't have to "endure" the days of groups like Gunshot and Cookie Crew like some people on here did.
it was slim pickings with hip hop. not til grime really did we have what i would call decent mcs, and i know grime is not hip hop, but hopefully you get me point. i was still young when grime came around the first time.

and the very early hip hop i was exposed to, run dmc or whatever, it was much more about the sound than the vocals. that electro sound i mean. i love all that.
 

forclosure

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it was slim pickings with hip hop. not til grime really did we have what i would call decent mcs, and i know grime is not hip hop, but hopefully you get me point. i was still young when grime came around the first time.

and the very early hip hop i was exposed to, run dmc or whatever, it was much more about the sound than the vocals. that electro sound i mean. i love all that.
yeah i know what you mean and it's funny you say that the appeal to you with Run DMC was the sound over the vocals cause there's so much rap now that's just all about that ,all form no function
 
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