forclosure

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now as for Goodie Mob, Luke's already brought up the Dungeon Family connection and how Cee-Lo was the break out star (he's the guy who did Fuck/forget you if you remember that also Gnarles Barkley).

I still really like Cell Therapy but it's definitely part of of the first wave of conspiracy theory rap that's kinda hard to take seriously now with Q-anon/anti vaxers and all that (if i remember right Busta Rhymes gave these guys Behold a pale horse and things went from there). It's spooky and skeletal as i said before in a way that suggests the backwoods and the sins of the south on black people rather than pyramids knights templars and whatever.(and the fact that the track is so defiantly southern, bluesy spare but still kinda funky rather than trying to sound like NY or LA plays a part in that )

Cee-Lo's verse about his complex being a prison in and of itself, the NWO being brought up, Khujo talking about black helicopters and that you should "listen to me now believe me later on" "conscious" music for the man dem on the streets rather than graduates and academics.

all even now i still kinda stumble with the first verse cause Khujo raps in an odd cadence
 

luka

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yes that cadence was the 'lurching' i was referring to. you get it also in eg fruitkwan from gravediggaz
 

luka

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this is one thing i was trying to say to barty that those kinds of spastic, lurching, disjointed, anti-flow flows, have been around for a lot longer than mumble rap although its certainly true that those kinds of distruptions are now ubiquitous in a way they never have been before
 

forclosure

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this is one thing i was trying to say to barty that those kinds of spastic, lurching, disjointed, anti-flow flows, have been around for a lot longer than mumble rap although its certainly true that those kinds of distruptions are now ubiquitous in a way they never have been before
yep and not just Atlanta either, Texas and the Bay Area been doing that kind of thing since early 90s
 

forclosure

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yeah saafir is a big one from the bay for example
i mean...Freestyle Fellowship and all the project blowed guys...i remember noz saying he interviewed Souls of Michief one time and one of them said Young Thug is the new Myka N9ne.
 

DannyL

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In Cell Therapy - feels to me like those voices (Southern voices do this more than any other) stretch out like elastic over the spareness of the beat, like there's a point/counterpoint thing going on.
 

forclosure

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you could call them "prog rap" but not in the bloated Kanye/ Travis Scott sense more so in the sense that they're able to go through different moods and textures in a single 16 that's both incredibly technical but still feels loose and freeform
 

luka

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In Cell Therapy - feels to me like those voices (Southern voices do this more than any other) stretch out like elastic over the spareness of the beat, like there's a point/counterpoint thing going on.
method man is great for this
 

forclosure

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In Cell Therapy - feels to me like those voices (Southern voices do this more than any other) stretch out like elastic over the spareness of the beat, like there's a point/counterpoint thing going on.
exactly and that plus everything i brought up before hand is something that extends across the whole album
 

forclosure

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if any of what i'm saying reads as bullshit just tell me,i'm waiting for the part where somebody bursts in and calls all my points and ideas poppycock(including you Catalog)
 

catalog

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no this is all good, from everyone. i don't know this really. i'm sure it's all been gone through before in various threads, but we might as well do it again, we do everything good about 10 times
 

forclosure

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no this is all good, from everyone. i don't know this really. i'm sure it's all been gone through before in various threads, but we might as well do it again, we do everything good about 10 times
well this is all for your benefit and engagement but so far it's been alright

better than that craner thread that's for sure
 

luka

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that craner thread has writing on there that i really love. its all be me. but i love it. catalog i suggest you seek inspiration from
genius minnesottan @mvuent on how to deal this kind of forced conversion therapy. he generally deals with it pretty well
 

DannyL

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I still really like Cell Therapy but it's definitely part of of the first wave of conspiracy theory rap that's kinda hard to take seriously now with Q-anon/anti vaxers and all that (if i remember right Busta Rhymes gave these guys Behold a pale horse and things went from there). It's spooky and skeletal as i said before in a way that suggests the backwoods and the sins of the south on black people rather than pyramids knights templars and whatever.(and the fact that the track is so defiantly southern, bluesy spare but still kinda funky rather than trying to sound like NY or LA plays a part in that )
It's seems very contemporary for that moment - black conspiracy theories. The Invisibles was big, X-Files and so on. the news about the Tuskegee experiment breaking (can't remember when that was but around then?). What's changed is they way they're used and employed - I've taken on a more oppositional stance to them as they seem to me to become more and more a tool of the right rather than a more righteous paranoia.Interesting to listen to that track and think it through, it puts you back in that moment.
 

luka

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eg
 

forclosure

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that craner thread has writing on there that i really love. its all be me. but i love it. catalog i suggest you seek inspiration from
genius minnesottan @mvuent on how to deal this kind of forced conversion therapy. he generally deals with it pretty well
hold on, hold on this isn't no conversion therapy i haven't tied the man down and started shoving 12" into his frontal lobe
 

catalog

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web esc can you tell me if my engagement on this thread is ok so far. what do you want more of? what less?
 
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