have you had the corona yet?

have you had the corona yet?

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mixed_biscuits

mixed_biscuits

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IdleRich said:
Despite our healthy lifestyles, we are now of an age where c19 is a virtual death sentence.... seems crazy and irresponsible for this girl to actually try and get it, and unfair given that if she catches it she could pass it on to someone more vulnerable (she's like 28).
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Absurd. What do you take to be your chance of ending up hospitalised or your chance of dying given infection?

Also, one major advantage of being unvaxxed is that, if you've got it, you're more likely to know, which means you won't blithely go around spreading it unawares.
 
mixed_biscuits

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wild greens said:
Nah the anti-vax cause has been severely weakened by 80/90% of those involved propagating any old shite that twitter etc has fed it for the last two years

Rational debate is long out of the window on all this stuff
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They are worse because they signal-boost the discreditable people in order to smear the opposition and make their argument look a shoo-in - if they only engaged with scientific papers and sensible people, they would soon be all at sea.

And almost as bad are the large proportion of the mass in the middle who can't be bothered with thinking things through and will instead plump for the more socially proper opinion because they don't want to be lumped in with the bogeymen.
 
Leo

Leo

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mixed_biscuits said:
Omicron prefers the [double-vaxxed, unboosted] to either the unvaxxed or unboosted.
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I guess things are different over there. here, seemingly every Hospital official and doctor interviewed says roughly 80%+ of hospitalizations are unvaxxed patients, that's what's causing the overcrowding. how can the situation be so different in the UK?
 
mixed_biscuits

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Leo said:
I guess things are different over there. here, seemingly every Hospital official and doctor interviewed says roughly 80%+ of hospitalizations are unvaxxed patients, that's what's causing the overcrowding. how can the situation be so different in the UK?
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They probably count unboosted or recently vaxxed (<2 weeks) as unvaxxed and do other fudges too - as a general rule, the higher the vax rate/more important the success of a vax program is to the government, the more fraudulent the data looks: Applying Benford’s law to COVID-19 data: The case of the European Union
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
Leo said:
I guess things are different over there. here, seemingly every Hospital official and doctor interviewed says roughly 80%+ of hospitalizations are unvaxxed patients, that's what's causing the overcrowding. how can the situation be so different in the UK?
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Cos they are counting it wrong duh.
 
WashYourHands

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
@no-oneinparticular double jabbed must be around 60% for adult population in Britain, so even a think cunt like myself could visualise these demographics as being represented in infection rates

if the jab was sold as a single fix, pardon the pun, is another matter
 
shakahislop

shakahislop

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IdleRich said:
Liza was supposed to be meeting a friend for drinks or food or something on Fri but this girl said that on Thursday she is going to visit a friend who is infected in a deliberate attempt to catch it herself and thus - she believes - avoid needing a jab.

She told Liza she would take a test after and cancel their meeting if it came out positive. But L said (to me) fuck that, what if it's too soon for the test and it comes out negative but she is actually positive?

She's got a point. Despite our healthy lifestyles, we are now of an age where c19 is a virtual death sentence.... seems crazy and irresponsible for this girl to actually try and get it, and unfair given that if she catches it she could pass it on to someone more vulnerable (she's like 28).

The French here are all strongly antivax to the point where it feels that there is a definite thing going on. I mean, it's not just anecdotal, if I meet someone who is French is almost safe to assume that they will be antivax. Is there less vaccine take up in France than elsewhere or is this just a part of the culture in their expat scene here in Lisbon?
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yeah its been a thing for a while, pre-corona as well. for whatever reason the anti-vaxx thing caught on in an unusually big way in france. i think ukraine is another example of a place like that. its interesting to speculate why, but those kinds of beliefs are basically more prevalent in some places than others.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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Leo said:
I guess things are different over there. here, seemingly every Hospital official and doctor interviewed says roughly 80%+ of hospitalizations are unvaxxed patients, that's what's causing the overcrowding. how can the situation be so different in the UK?
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The full dataset for last year hasn't been released yet, I think, but age-standardized death rates per 100k person-years in England for the first 10 months of the year can be found here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
Death rate for the unvaccinated is almost 20 times the rate for fully vaccinated (at least 21 days following second jab): 498 vs 26, averaged over the ten months.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
Anyway, maybe I mentioned that, despite being vaxxed, for some reason my SNS (ie health service) number did not generate a Vaccinated Certificate when I put it into the website. This meant that I was in a "worst of both worlds" situation in that I was being totally controlled by Bill Gates AND at the same time I was not gaining the only benefit of the vaccine - being allowed into places.

I was particularly worried about this last weekend as I was going to Porto to DJ in two places and stay in a hotel, all of which required a vax cert or test or something. I've been trying to get the vax cert working for aaaages now - I have been to my local health centre, to the pharmacist, phoned the helpline several times and so on but, finally, on Friday, after going back to one of the centres where they administer the vaccine, they were able to sort it and so I could travel to Porto safe in the knowledge that I would be able to DJ and sleep.

But, it turned out that I needn't have worried, at least about the former, cos apparently artists/performers/djs etc just don't need to be tested (I think that the virus is a fan of music and made this promise to the world that it wouldn't infect anyone who was about to play a gig) - although weirdly, if you leave the club that you are playing at and go to another club as a punter you are then back in danger and need to be tested, although (and this is where it gets really specific) if Ricardo phones up one of his mates who owns that club it turns out you are safe again, just like that.

But, on Friday, the place we DJ-d had a sort of make-shift testing clinic outside and the club manager, Sergio, was running that instead of coming into the club. As he put it, he'd wanted to work in nightlife not be a doctor but at least his mother was finally happy. Today we found out that, predictably enough being that I guess he "mingled" with pretty much every person who came into club as he oversaw the tests and - I assume - some of them must have been positive, Sergio tested positive for Covid and advised us to take a test. Fortunately we're both negative.... I reckon that maybe there is a plus side to surrendering my entire body and soul to Bill Gates and producing black-eyed transhuman progeny after all.
 
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Leo

Leo

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mixed_biscuits said:
They probably count unboosted or recently vaxxed (<2 weeks) as unvaxxed and do other fudges too - as a general rule, the higher the vax rate/more important the success of a vax program is to the government, the more fraudulent the data looks: Applying Benford’s law to COVID-19 data: The case of the European Union
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Not sure why fudging (sounds dirty!) would take place, but that type of thing is more likely to come from government bureaucrats with an agenda. The people I'm talking about are largely the hospital administrators and doctors, who usually say the vast majority of admissions are people who are unvaccinated, period. There are still many millions of them here.
 
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mixed_biscuits

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Mr. Tea said:
The full dataset for last year hasn't been released yet, I think, but age-standardized death rates per 100k person-years in England for the first 10 months of the year can be found here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
Death rate for the unvaccinated is almost 20 times the rate for fully vaccinated (at least 21 days following second jab): 498 vs 26, averaged over the ten months.
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Oxford have already addressed the problem with that fudge
 
mixed_biscuits

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Leo said:
I guess things are different over there. here, seemingly every Hospital official and doctor interviewed says roughly 80%+ of hospitalizations are unvaxxed patients, that's what's causing the overcrowding. how can the situation be so different in the UK?
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"Seemingly every" = cherry-picked reports from hospitals with an unusually high proportion of unvaxxed; we get the same type of news story here
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Hell of a "fudge" to conjure a factor of 20 out of thin air, but then I'm not a statistician, so what do I know?
 
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