Theft & Originality

[forclosure]

I actually quite like a few of his songs. Not really got anything against his voice. Though everything he did since he stopped being new wave left me pretty cold. But it's more something about him really. The totally unfair caricature I've built up of him is as someone offensively boring. It is unfair though. I wonder if I can be big enough to stop doing that.

maybe that's something you can set out to do, don't have to listen to everything he's done but you might find something

i quite like Imperial Bedroom myself

 

[IdleRich]

The Verve kicked up a fuss when they had to pay all the money from Bittersweet Symphony to Loog Oldham - but obviously all they did was add some lyrics to someone else's song so seemed fair enough to me. Especially cos probably loads of people bought the album cos of that song. They should probably take that money and be happy.
Why the song belongs to Loog Odlham instead of Mick and Keef I don't quite know. Actually I think that often the arrangement is important for credits come to think of it.




Edit; it sounds as though Allen Klein and Jagger/Richards got the money not Andrew Loog Oldham as I said. Apologies.

 

[IdleRich]

maybe that's something you can set out to do, don't have to listen to everything he's done but you might find something

i quite like Imperial Bedroom myself

Gave it's name to a book by Brett Easton Ellis.

 

[forclosure]

it did but i dunno i don't care it feels like Easton Ellis has gone the way of say Hemmingway these days

only time you hear anybody bring them up is to talk about how much they hate him as a writer and a person

 

[version]

I see more people talking about his podcast than his books these days.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Sounds like a few different Wire songs, but not one in particular. Yet made it their own

it's virtually an uncredited cover of "Three Girl Rhumba"

"sounds like a few different Wire songs, but not one in particular" is an accurate general description of Elastica, tho

 

[IdleRich]

Edit; it sounds as though Allen Klein and Jagger/Richards got the money not Andrew Loog Oldham as I said. Apologies.

As an aide, Klein sounds like a real arsehole even by the standards of sixties shyster managers. Wasn't it him who made it impossible for anyone to see The Holy Mountain for about forty years?

 

[IdleRich]

it did but i dunno i don't care it feels like Easton Ellis has gone the way of say Hemmingway these days

only time you hear anybody bring them up is to talk about how much they hate him as a writer and a person

I enjoy his books... though admittedly I haven't read any for a while. Has he written anything for a while though come to think of it?
Which way did Hemmingway go?
Anyway, I'm derailing here, apologies Corpsey.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

a genius steal at the very heart of Chicago house music

check 2:50-3:10 especially

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

another, more famous, case


+

(check the drum rolls on the chorus especially)

+ a couple other things

==

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

slightly O/T, but the more I've learned about 80s dance music the more I've felt that the influence of Italo on both disco and house is still underrated

Detroit and Chicago - not as much NY (I think?) - were both wild for all these weird proto-house Italo bangers

Dirty Talk, Robot Is Systematic, Capricorn - I Need Love, Doctor's Cat - Feel the Drive, Stopp - I'm Hungry (Caramba Mix), etc

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

tho to get back on track, speaking of Italo, Chicago, NY, and genius theft

here's Frankie Knuckles himself cementing the Italo->Chicago narrative with a very early house remix of an Hot Mix 5 Italo favorite


and here's none other than Lenny Dee using a...very similar bassline for a classic of his own a couple years later

(check around 4:20 in the Jago tune and compare)

 

[IdleRich]

Speaking of Blue Monday I've heard people say that they nicked the melody from fellow Manc band Gerry and the Holograms.

 

[forclosure]

slightly O/T, but the more I've learned about 80s dance music the more I've felt that the influence of Italo on both disco and house is still underrated

Detroit and Chicago - not as much NY (I think?) - were both wild for all these weird proto-house Italo bangers

Dirty Talk, Robot Is Systematic, Capricorn - I Need Love, Doctor's Cat - Feel the Drive, Stopp - I'm Hungry (Caramba Mix), etc

let's not forget the whole story behind "love can't turn around" with Farley and Stever Hurley

 

[Corpsey]

a genius steal at the very heart of Chicago house music

check 2:50-3:10 especially

fantastic!

 

[Corpsey]

I doubt many ppl on here will be interested in this on either 'side' of the equation but Hans Zimmer's soundtrack to The Lion King nicks various bits and pieces from Mozart.

Wouldn't be surprised if this is a common feature of soundtracks.

Check how John Williams this is e.g.

 

[Corpsey]

That tag is great and makes me realise I should have titled this thread grand theft audio 🤦‍♂️

 

[mixed_biscuits]

That tag is great and makes me realise I should have titled this thread grand theft audio 🤦‍♂️

That's the name of your book on the phenomenon

 

[sus]

Been compiling a playlist for several years—every paired song shares a melody

 

[sus]

Some of them are somewhat well known, e.g. "He's So Fine"/"My Sweet Lord"—others I think I might be the only person to have caught the connection (or at least, Google turns up nothing, and it's a weird pairing)