Poor State of Grime
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soul_pill
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dominic said:
No. Mark One (dubstep/grime) = Mark Foster, who is 21. His first releases were on his Contagious label 2002-2003:
Conta001 Mark One - Knockout/Move Like They Do
Conta002 Virus Syndicate - Digital (Mark One Remix/Darqwan Remix)
Conta003 Mark One - Blair Witch/The Virus
Conta004 Mark One vs. Plasticman - Hard Graft (Original/Mark One Remix)
gumdrops said:
there is a record out called tasty grits at the mo, southern comfort that mixes us hip hoppers with grime influenced beats, it's pretty decent i thought .Also i got a mail this morning from some producers in the states doing grime/hip hop stuff coming from the left field, , it was rubbish tho , also the new team shadetek record the 'dudes ep' has some noticable grime influences, infact i know for sure they have recorded with uk and us mcs including d double on grimeish tunes, some of them sounding alot like forward riddim
Woebot
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confucius said:on a side note from an "outsider", of the Best of Grime Scene compilations from Woebot, the 2003 is by far my favorite so far, liking it better than the 2004 and 2005 collections. I just played a party last night and dropped quite a few tunes from that. people were all over it.
Matt how do you feel about them? do you notice you like one year more than the others?
while we're at it, how do you feel about my mixes? which is your favorite?
I think it'll be time to do a grime mix soon as I gather some more material
sorry it took so long to get back to you on this leo.
(strokes chin) i wonder if it isnt because the "global ear" has had a bit of time to catch up with that stuff. many of the aural tricks may have been absorbed and made, if not stale (well we're years away from that!) but understandable. something like MIA for instance would make those 3 year old beats sound vaguely familiar (sorry, couldnt resist the dig....)
at the time the comp everyone liked the most was the one with chosen one and STDs on, 2004a was it? (for people who dont know the background to leo's question i sent him ALL my Grime CDs in exchange for their weight in the finest colombian cocaine) i reckon that one may be my favourite too.
i say this time and again. its a real disgrace that there isnt a series of CDs dedicated to the hits of Grime. Just like the Trojan "Tighten Up" series, THATS WHAT PEOPLE WANT! Seriously I should get my act together and bloody well do it myself. Its not like I dont have enough on my plate though. Maybe doing it 2 years down the line is the way to proceed? I reckon the producers would probably be a lot more approachable when they realise their tune isnt going to going to make them any more rich or more famous....
(re: breakcore)
"...there is some good material coming out at the moment but at the same time i can see it starting to stagnate.
i worry it might go the same way as d&b did 5 years ago- its a really nice scene at the moment detatched from the commercial dance scene, but the chav massive WILL cotton on to its existence and take over when they get bored of happy hardcore/ freeform and clownstep d&b and grime.
i think the scene needs to be one step ahead of itself in evolving- it needs to remain underground. i think it could be helped along by: losing the amen loop- pretending the winstons never existed; phasing out the gabba influence; some fresh new production from new producers- doing something other than those filtered snare rushes and pitch changed drum segments."
"...there is some good material coming out at the moment but at the same time i can see it starting to stagnate.
i worry it might go the same way as d&b did 5 years ago- its a really nice scene at the moment detatched from the commercial dance scene, but the chav massive WILL cotton on to its existence and take over when they get bored of happy hardcore/ freeform and clownstep d&b and grime.
i think the scene needs to be one step ahead of itself in evolving- it needs to remain underground. i think it could be helped along by: losing the amen loop- pretending the winstons never existed; phasing out the gabba influence; some fresh new production from new producers- doing something other than those filtered snare rushes and pitch changed drum segments."
Logan Sama said:That's the thing with Grime. It's more of a class thing than a race thing.
London is such a racially integrated city that, unlike New York, it's just music that young people listen to, not just the blacks or just the whites or asians.
At least it has that going for it. Racially harmony through music
I have to ask about this, because it does mess me up sometimes being white and following this music as closely as I do (to say nothing of being Canadian, older and an academic). With Jungle I felt pretty fine since the racial/ethnic makeup was mixed and the musical influences sounded like they came from all sides, but with Grime - and I'm only going on pictures I see on the 'net - it seems like a pretty uniformly black scene. I mean, I've seen your picture and Scratchy's and Slimzee's and I'm sure others but from the pictures that I see it doesn't seem anywhere near as mixed as Jungle was.
Am I wrong here? Is this another example of media trying to make Grime into a solely Black thing the way Jungle was at one point portrayed?
Diggedy Derek
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Hmmmm. Raves I've been to have been very, very racially mixed. Loads of whites, loads of blacks, loads of everything.
Logan Sama
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The MC's are pretty much predominantly black.
The ravers, djs and producers are a very mixed bunch
The ravers, djs and producers are a very mixed bunch
Picking up on the discussion about how difficult it is for Grime raves to happen; I'm wondering why the scale hasn't shifted to something small enough that it could actually be put on. I mean, FWD>> happens right? From the pictures I've seen, it seems like Plastic People is a pretty small venue, why aren't Grime events being held in similar venues?
I can see from the numbers Logan put up that MCs expect a decent paycheque for the event (righfully so) and that automatically makes it more expensive than a night where the DJ is the only draw. But... doesn't the market come into play here? If MCs aren't getting shows because it's too expensive and risky to put on a big event, don't people step back and start accepting smaller cheques because they're not performing otherwise?
On another note, are there any nights where people just play Grime vocals with maybe just one MC or none? I mean, the night I'm doing here in Vancouver is hardly representative of anything but we've got a night going that's packed with people every week and we play straight-up Grime vocals all night. I know Vancouver isn't exactly London, but is that sort of thing happening there? It's certainly easier to put on financially and I doubt the police care much about what goes on in most small venues.
I can see from the numbers Logan put up that MCs expect a decent paycheque for the event (righfully so) and that automatically makes it more expensive than a night where the DJ is the only draw. But... doesn't the market come into play here? If MCs aren't getting shows because it's too expensive and risky to put on a big event, don't people step back and start accepting smaller cheques because they're not performing otherwise?
On another note, are there any nights where people just play Grime vocals with maybe just one MC or none? I mean, the night I'm doing here in Vancouver is hardly representative of anything but we've got a night going that's packed with people every week and we play straight-up Grime vocals all night. I know Vancouver isn't exactly London, but is that sort of thing happening there? It's certainly easier to put on financially and I doubt the police care much about what goes on in most small venues.
Logan Sama
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FWD makes no money.
Brokeman said:
Rinse tried this at Plastic People in shorditch, and it didnt work despite great line ups. it's partly a class issue - putting grime in shoreditch is moving the sound outside of it's traditional audience.
so i'm sure there are small venues that are in the more traditional grime areas of london, but probably not as many as are concentrated in shoreditch.
3underscore
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Logan Sama said:
Maybe you you should have asked for less of a fee to play, logan?
Glad to see you are back on - I may try and drop down.
bit of a massive xpost but martin, sheffield is pretty much the home of speed garage at the mo, but remember to call it bassline lol. i was gonna send matt some cds of it to see if he thought it was any different to speed garage, SR didnt. its still bumpin out of cars round here, and i need to go back down the market to get 5 cdrs for £10. i dont know whos who really though, some names crop up and ive heard a few tunes over and over again. its fun though! it also crosses white, black and asian communities here in leeds based on very little evidence.
those that would dismiss it as just speed gaarge need to recognise that whatever it sounds like, as a scene it is healthy and growing, new tunes are being produced, distributed and sold. it is a northern analogue to grime a few years back i think, not sonically obviously (and i doubt there will be any crossover back to grime and dubstep*), just in terms of audience, and grassroots level, big raves eg at the adelphi, club evolution in leeds.
* well, i think there is some scope for mixing bassline and more dancey grime in a dj set i guess
those that would dismiss it as just speed gaarge need to recognise that whatever it sounds like, as a scene it is healthy and growing, new tunes are being produced, distributed and sold. it is a northern analogue to grime a few years back i think, not sonically obviously (and i doubt there will be any crossover back to grime and dubstep*), just in terms of audience, and grassroots level, big raves eg at the adelphi, club evolution in leeds.
* well, i think there is some scope for mixing bassline and more dancey grime in a dj set i guess
Logan Sama
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Who keeps deleting my post?