padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
the important difference between AP/Wall Street and something like Nathan Barley is the amount of power the subjects have

Nathan Barley himself undoubtedly has a mountain of clueless privilege and (potential) cultural capital, but virtually no power

i.e. Shane Smith is a billionaire but I assume Vice is overwhelmingly freelancers operating in relative economic precarity
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I just started watching Succession, and funnily enough the two things it immediately reminds me of are Nathan Barley - the bro-iness, the dickhead banter, the amoral pranks - except, of course, a supercharged American version about multi-billionaires - and American Psycho.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I thought Harron's approach to those scenes was brilliant
yeah definitely. more of the last third or so could've done with that approach, it does become too much of straightforward did he/didn't he thing.

tho idk how that feasible that is for budget or filmmaking reasons

I'd agree Defoe is badly midcast, in a film that mostly casts pretty damned well

the character is supposed to be around Batemen's age or just a bit older, not middle-age, close to a peer

and Defoe (great actor) has too much inherent weirdo energy. that's should've been someone like Casper Van Dien (but better than that), cut-rate Bateman.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Tom Wolfe is trash btw. his novels certainly are. appalling politics too, or cultural politics you might say, and unlike Ellis they infest his work.

I can't stand him tbh. the affected white suits. everything about him screams self-appointed cultural gatekeeper.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
New Journalism in general - besides Hunter S., his own thing for better/worse - is pretty much a bust, no?

in retrospect it looks mostly like a self-promotion hustle by Wolfe, Capote, Gay Talese, etc, not to mention often ethically dubious

and it pretty directly leads to most of the problems of Foster Wallace style essay journalism noted above
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Mailer is cancelled for me. pretty rare when it comes to art but in his case, yeah, no fucking thanks. what an actually terrible person.

having said that, unlike most of New Journalism he has genuine insights, but they're overwhelmed by all his hangups on race/gender/sexuality.

as far as fiction, I read The Naked and the Dead as a teen. I recall it being alright? Albeit no patch on Thin Red Line.

Didion is female Tom Wolfe (or he's male Didion). what's the famous essay say, "her only subject is herself"? yeah.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
on the plus side: HST when his self-indulgence is reined in. Terry Southern as a screenwriter.

from the same era and a fellow traveler but not really "New Journalism", David Halberstam was the best and I'm a huge fan
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
But that was the same with Wall Street, which simply made the film even better. The fact that it is adored by the people it satirises doesn't necessarily mean it has failed.
But that's satire... the eternal problem of that genre. People love being satirised.... occasionally someone lands a nasty blow but it's rare.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Something you can forget whilst reading it is none of them are ever really seen working. It's just a whirl of lunch meetings, dinners and so on.
This is very important to the whole thing I think. Patrick Bateman doesn't know about interest rates, futures... black-scholes.... anything.... but when you read about Nick Leeson... the bosses knew nothing, that's why it happened, the guys with big offices and salaries and what not spent their time socialising and expecting the grunts to do the stuff that they completely didn't understand but make money for them. Bateman is a guy from the right place who has come in above the level of doing stuff... that rings true to me.
What We Do In The Shadows... have you seen the series? I like the episode where the vampire/guy who pretends to work in an office gets called in by his boss and he says "I'm probably getting fired, I don't even know what this company does" but he gets promoted. It's perfect.
 
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