william_kent

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The bit I was most interested in, William Kent, was the living outdoors/lifestyle mag he talks about, forgotten it's name now, the one where it was a husband and wife team in charge, then they wrote to everyone that they were giving over control to another couple, and kobek says it was literally just the same people, but they had given themselves new names, new identities.

i'll try find the quote tonight when i get home, but the guy he mentions, he seems like a richard shaver type guy, just another portal to something.

it's all, to me, wrapped up in Stewart Brand / Whole Earth stuff, it's the flipside to all that.

the VONU Life mags - yeah, that was interesting to me because of the involvement of Kerry Thornley ( Discordian, friend of Lee Harvey Oswald & Robert Anton Wilson )
 

catalog

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apparently the real dark turn was when he switched publishers from Ballantine to DAW, that's when the abuse of the slave women really goes into high gear. Kobek recounts that when he was sourcing the Gor books that the ballantine ones were easy to get, but the later, nastier, ones were scarce, and he came to the conclusion that the owners of these did not want to let them go...

This morning I tried to find the documentary of the Darlington Gorean sex cult on youtube, but unfortunately came up empty handed - which is a shame because I remember it being hilarious - it was like a benefits / poverty porn programme with added BDSM

we'll have to find that video
 

catalog

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the VONU Life mags - yeah, that was interesting to me because of the involvement of Kerry Thornley ( Discordian, friend of Lee Harvey Oswald & Robert Anton Wilson )
yeah that's it - VONU. good name. and yeah, he's pretty scathing / nonplussed on Thornley which i was a bit surprised about.
 

william_kent

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@catalog

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a quick search on amazon turned up this - Vonu by Tom Marshall / Rayo / El Ray

Essays on how to achieve personal freedom written by a leading libertarian activist of the 1970s. Tom Marshall (El Ray), who changed his name to Rayo, was an early proponent of the Free Isles project but eventually took to the road in a camper to live off the grid. These essays argue for a strong pro-freedom, anti-government stand as well as providing practical advice about living minimally.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
The discussion on the previous page led me to discovering this forum, which looks to be built on the same platform as dissensus


Always interesting discovering still active online forums, like finding life on other planets

I'm reading bits and pieces of all sorts of things, unable to get my teeth sunk into anything but I have read a bit of The Peregrine by J.A. Baker and although sometimes its veers in the direction of overwriting, it's full of striking phrases and sentences – particularly when it comes to describing the falcon's kills. (e.g. a bird storing some food in its mouth and making a break for the forest is hit from above and the food pops out of its mouth "like a cork from a champagne bottle")
 

william_kent

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@catalog

I've just been reading this article about a "Vonu week" in the company of "El Ray" and Roberta, his "freemate" - it's pretty funny

on "El Ray":

He spoke in what sounded like a dialect he made-up himself. Every word was carefully articulated, but spoken with unusual inflection and variation in rate of speech. It was contagious: I have occasionally found myself speaking “the dialect” without intending to. I remember he once used the phrase “sort of” somewhat inappropriately, in a way I thought was an effort to conform to what he saw as my “hip” orientation. Imprecision was not a part of Tom’s natural self-expression.

on the Vonu diet:

We set up a grinder and there was a discussion of ways to prepare hard red wheat for eating. I never did adjust to that diet. I got diarrhea and it was evident to me that my meals were exiting my bowels in the same form as they had entered my stomach. This may have been one explanation for my listlessness during the week. I have never had digestive problems with any other food before or since.
 

Clinamenic

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I just finished reading Goethe's Faust, part 1, and I gather part 2 is quite different. Anyone here read both of them?
 

Clinamenic

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I have done yeah, don't really remember it in enough detail to comment on how the style changes in part two though I'm afraid.
Apparently it dissociates entirely from the narrative, and maybe even the poetic form, of part one.
 

IdleRich

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Does it? As far as I remember the second part does end with the Devil trying to collect his soul as bargained for in part one. Though not too sure what goes down before that.
 

thirdform

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Provided you don't Kiss me by Duncan Hamilton - Brian Clough's journalist.

Not sure if its of any interest if you're not into late 70s/early 80s English football.
 

WashYourHands

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Provided you don't Kiss me by Duncan Hamilton - Brian Clough's journalist.

Not sure if its of any interest if you're not into late 70s/early 80s English football.

my brother said this was a time capsule of anecdotes

there’s Clough in his prime and then Clough as an extremely ruddy faced caricature of himsel

you could clock him round town frequently as a kid, huge aura, have his signature on a Forest match day program somewhere and then the booze accelerated
 

thirdform

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my brother said this was a time capsule of anecdotes

there’s Clough in his prime and then Clough as an extremely ruddy faced caricature of himsel

you could clock him round town frequently as a kid, huge aura, have his signature on a Forest match day program somewhere and then the booze accelerated

Also made me look up the first England manager, Walter Winterbottom.

What a name.
 

Clinamenic

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Does it? As far as I remember the second part does end with the Devil trying to collect his soul as bargained for in part one. Though not too sure what goes down before that.
Yeah I could be overstating it, maybe theres just a change in context and form.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Is it an extremely boring read? We read a bit of this in my college days, dry sociological texts can excite me sometimes (Simmel and Huizinga’s writings on play for example) but this book seems to get a suspicious amount of shine
I think it's very well written and fascinatingly, curiously comprehensive
 

martin

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GENESIS P-ORRIDGE “Non-Binary”

Bit weird when somebody who lived, breathed and gargled transgression opts for the standard rock biog schtick of discussing parents and childhood homes for the first 40 or so pages. Yeah, yeah…get to TG already. When he finally does, I get an extreme case of déjà vu: feels like he or his ghost writer based large sections of this book on Cosy’s recollections (minus the ‘lobbing objects at her head’ bits).

Interesting part where he mentions a friend who worked with Denis Nilsen at the dole office in Cricklewood, as my sister did too. I asked my sister if she recalled Nilsen making a curry and bringing it to share with the staff, and she said no, he rarely talked to anyone. Not saying GPO’s lying, mind you. Curiously, he skims over the TOPY stuff. I was never mad into PTV, except for maybe NY Scum, Themes 2 and that trippy live double album with the Icelandic Asatru monk chants, but it might have been nice to find out more about the ideas behind that group, and how he considered it in retrospect. Incidentally, I can’t help feeling the title was slapped on to cash in on something or other.

I remember the night he died, in March 2020. His send-off was a bit muted: partly because the abuse allegations in Cosy’s book were still fresh, so none of ‘noise Twitter’ wanted to risk being cancelled by their pals, and partly because that seemed to be thee weekend where everybody suddenly started taking COVID seriously. I loved TG, and they would never have had the impact they did without GPO. But fuck me, this book was a slog.

Now starting: Alison Rumfitt's "Tell Me I'm Worthless", courtesy of Bunnyhausen, which I'm hoping will be a lot better!
 

dilbert1

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@martin Agree with the sentiment here, and in all sincerity I thank you for experiencing (and reporting) the disappointment so I don’t have to
 
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