DUBSTEP- breaking news, gossip, slander, lies etc
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the undisputed truth
Banned
oh right...
...a flattened hunk of black plastic with some grooves on it
sounds very 20th century
stating the obvious here but, the trouble with vinyl is the turnaround time in pressing, weight issues and factoring freight in, either when travelling your crates or distribution and the price is only going to get higher as not only is the vinyl reliant on the petrochemical industry but also rising fuel costs mean higher freight costs as well...
...besides you'de be lucky if you can find international distributors for boutique electronic vinyl
theyd be lucky if the make enough of a percentage from sales to cover the postage and even luckier if you as a label got paid from them...
so why bother ???
...a flattened hunk of black plastic with some grooves on it
sounds very 20th century
stating the obvious here but, the trouble with vinyl is the turnaround time in pressing, weight issues and factoring freight in, either when travelling your crates or distribution and the price is only going to get higher as not only is the vinyl reliant on the petrochemical industry but also rising fuel costs mean higher freight costs as well...
...besides you'de be lucky if you can find international distributors for boutique electronic vinyl
theyd be lucky if the make enough of a percentage from sales to cover the postage and even luckier if you as a label got paid from them...
so why bother ???
Selling dubstep music online is an option, but right now it's not proving the most popular format for the scene.
Giving dubstep .wavs away might suit you Dubmugga but it does nothing for the scene's artists in the long term. it would be a barrier to DJs who promote the release by playing the vinyl (still the majority of club djs use vinyl) and mean the artists make nothing in revenue either in the long term and the short term.
no one in dubstep is sitting around and waiting for anything, electronica or otherwise - they are getting on with building the infrastructure themselves - but there are financial barriers to everything, from putting on a night, to cutting dubs, to releasing vinyl, to promoting music - even to playing on radio. those barriers won't be surpassed by giving all of the music away for free.
anyway your argument is self-evidently wrong. if people could get and stay big by giving all their music away online, they already would be.
Giving dubstep .wavs away might suit you Dubmugga but it does nothing for the scene's artists in the long term. it would be a barrier to DJs who promote the release by playing the vinyl (still the majority of club djs use vinyl) and mean the artists make nothing in revenue either in the long term and the short term.
no one in dubstep is sitting around and waiting for anything, electronica or otherwise - they are getting on with building the infrastructure themselves - but there are financial barriers to everything, from putting on a night, to cutting dubs, to releasing vinyl, to promoting music - even to playing on radio. those barriers won't be surpassed by giving all of the music away for free.
anyway your argument is self-evidently wrong. if people could get and stay big by giving all their music away online, they already would be.
Dubstep strikes me as interesting in this regard as it is so based around vinyl - which I think is cool - but even at DJ level. When I started going to fwd I was suprised by the amount of 10" on the decks.
In drum and bass as far as I can tell no one really cuts dubs anymore - all the DJs, including the big ones, play off CD or final scratch combinations along with the usual TPs.
I am a vinyl fan, and would always prefer my club-based music to be available on nicely cut 12", but I think dubstep doesn't realise how out of step it is with format trends in brother and sister scenes like dnb in London and wider (definitely not saying that in a negative way, I just don't think they realise it).
In drum and bass as far as I can tell no one really cuts dubs anymore - all the DJs, including the big ones, play off CD or final scratch combinations along with the usual TPs.
I am a vinyl fan, and would always prefer my club-based music to be available on nicely cut 12", but I think dubstep doesn't realise how out of step it is with format trends in brother and sister scenes like dnb in London and wider (definitely not saying that in a negative way, I just don't think they realise it).
i play mainly on cd. its not as good as acetate but it does the job on the right systems
there's always a financial constraint, but its true more music needs to be made available of a wide variety because bpm-wise alot of different scenes are able to drop this stuff and for sheer sales, thats a good thing. if u work on a SOR basis u can make some decent cash but thats long - takes up too much time.
digital downloading is very beneficial but its still early stages and hasn't really reflected on a labels bottom line significantly. i think these mp3 sites will kick off same as cd djing.
there's always a financial constraint, but its true more music needs to be made available of a wide variety because bpm-wise alot of different scenes are able to drop this stuff and for sheer sales, thats a good thing. if u work on a SOR basis u can make some decent cash but thats long - takes up too much time.
digital downloading is very beneficial but its still early stages and hasn't really reflected on a labels bottom line significantly. i think these mp3 sites will kick off same as cd djing.
the undisputed truth
Banned
^^^wish i had 10" to slap on the decks...
...suppose i could slap it down a few times during the night to make up the difference
Blackdown...
...we're only giving away the first bunch of stuff to get established but the thing about bigboy producers giving away their older stuff is, it probably won't ever see a vinyl release anyway
think of it as a cleaning out the closet to make way for the new dubs...
...the long term benefit would flow on from more people getting into the scene because of the greater volume of tunes available, heightened awareness of artists,
the development of a unique artist "sound" and leading to increased sales or other avenues of income like more performance bookings
in a sense many already are giving their stuff away for free by inclusion in exclusive mixes so why not make them available to the wider public and international crew ???
the point Logos makes about unawareness is a good one, as i too don't think dubsteppaz realise how much dubstep has inherited a lot of baggage from previous UK based genres...
...outsiders looking in see things differently to insiders looking out
...suppose i could slap it down a few times during the night to make up the difference
Blackdown...
...we're only giving away the first bunch of stuff to get established but the thing about bigboy producers giving away their older stuff is, it probably won't ever see a vinyl release anyway
think of it as a cleaning out the closet to make way for the new dubs...
...the long term benefit would flow on from more people getting into the scene because of the greater volume of tunes available, heightened awareness of artists,
the development of a unique artist "sound" and leading to increased sales or other avenues of income like more performance bookings
in a sense many already are giving their stuff away for free by inclusion in exclusive mixes so why not make them available to the wider public and international crew ???
the point Logos makes about unawareness is a good one, as i too don't think dubsteppaz realise how much dubstep has inherited a lot of baggage from previous UK based genres...
...outsiders looking in see things differently to insiders looking out
the undisputed truth
Banned
so anyway...
...does anyone know if there is a toasty album in the offing ???
...does anyone know if there is a toasty album in the offing ???
3underscore
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reza said:
As mms says - it is a good test process. The sound is great on them, and as a dub costs about £20, and a pressing run costs about £800, it is a little bit cheaper to do the dub.
You could argue that without the dub process, request line wouldn't have been able to guarantee to shift the volumes it has to date.
3underscore said:
I'm aware of that - thanks - but was considering it against the fact that a lot of peeps just play CDs these days.
A well-cut dub will sound better than an unmastered CD, for sure, but doesn't change the fact that only in dubstep does the dubplate still rule the roost, compared to the 'music house' DnB culture of the 90s if you know what I mean...
the undisputed truth
Banned
...and really good ones can do it off shitty monitors cross referenced with a set of headphones
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Freakaholic
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A German dub site talks abit about dubstep, but I nor google can make any sense of what theyve got to say:
For all, which gerafft not yet completely it, around which it goes with Dubstep/Grime/Breakstep here the explanation. (on "more info." click! - unfortunately in English...) In addition leads a new left (under LEFT) to the Londoner Underground Pirate radio responsible for it - RinsFM. (the Button "LISTS" is it...) German info. to the topic gibts also soon here. (thanks David!) Gladly its!!!
http://www.sativa-sounds.de/42_0.htm
I put it here more for the entertainment value of the translation.
For all, which gerafft not yet completely it, around which it goes with Dubstep/Grime/Breakstep here the explanation. (on "more info." click! - unfortunately in English...) In addition leads a new left (under LEFT) to the Londoner Underground Pirate radio responsible for it - RinsFM. (the Button "LISTS" is it...) German info. to the topic gibts also soon here. (thanks David!) Gladly its!!!
http://www.sativa-sounds.de/42_0.htm
I put it here more for the entertainment value of the translation.
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