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the undisputed truth
Banned
on the subject of less talk...
...where's all the dubstep blog action ???
Is it a case of, if you've got nothing nice to say then say nothing ???
...where's all the dubstep blog action ???
Is it a case of, if you've got nothing nice to say then say nothing ???
the undisputed truth
Banned
...construeing nothing into something and back again is what it's all about
make little things big, make big things little...
why should forums be any different ???
Curiously though BN, were you one of those kids in school who sat there too scared to say anything in case you were wrong or that cool kids might think you were a geek if you were right so you just sat on the fence not wishing to offend anybody ???
make little things big, make big things little...
why should forums be any different ???
Curiously though BN, were you one of those kids in school who sat there too scared to say anything in case you were wrong or that cool kids might think you were a geek if you were right so you just sat on the fence not wishing to offend anybody ???
the undisputed truth
Banned
it's more of threadjack than anything cos i am genuinely interested...
...and please don't call me dubmugga
you may call me tut...
...and please don't call me dubmugga
you may call me tut...
childrentalking
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I can't believe people are even replying to this guy
echevarian
babylon sister
the undisputed truth
Banned
tut tut...
...suspend your disbelief, cut through the bullshit and somewhere in there you'll find a truth you can call your own
...suspend your disbelief, cut through the bullshit and somewhere in there you'll find a truth you can call your own
Finally someone who is not afraid to switch styles and mixes some minimal with dubstep. It's not that RV has the only right to do so, please continue.
*bookmarked*
i enjoyed your style, very upfront
but i disagree very strongly about the dubstep/grime as no longer garage point... i think thats complete nonsense. theyre clearly very different... mutations, but there are massive reference points everywhere you look to attach the genres to that heritage... it doesnt mean they cant draw from new influences
i dont see why you would want to deny that... why do you?
but yeh, i liked your style, and the mix looks interesting. always very happy to see dub weapon in a mix, in my opinion thats the absolute peak of the breakier, nastier side of dubstep
So the grime/dubstep perestroika could use more talks. And then generate more action on getting more quality vocals to grime/dubstep nights.
My other idea was cue the dubstep open-mic night.
are you misreading this on purpose?
and so what IS your beef?
its a real problem when threads become totally hijacked so you can ramble on with meaningless horseshit whilst people attempt to appease you.
bruno
est malade
none of this would have happened had the undisputed truth not been exposed as hell sd, i found it was completely gratuitous and mean spirited. you don't pull an addict out of rehab two days after being admitted in! plus, you could see there was a genuine effort to tone down the violence, no more shameless self promotion, etc, overall a much more likeable character, but now it's too late. i encourage the user behind the undisputed truth to either fuck off or re-emerge in a new form. and i suggest you avoid using 'hell' and 'science' in the same sentence, it's clear you wanted to be caught!
the undisputed truth
Banned
As dubstep spreads globally, it will be interesting to see how regional producers absorb and re-interpret the sound with their own perspective. How can your music truly be about dark decaying London streets if you've never even seen them? Instead, it will be exciting to see if Bay Area producers can incorporate a hyphy influence, or if Brazilians can interact with baile funk. Can Indian, Japanese, or Chinese dubsteppers come through? What about glacial Scandinavian beats?
We don't write about decaying london streets and don't need to see them either. As for the excitement of trying to incorporate hyphy and baile funk ? Me thinks it will only have passing novelty value and if anything be more of a dead end than those other mainstays of UK electronica. WTF is a glacial scandinavian beat anyway ?
Of course chinese/japanese or whatever dubstep producers can come through with the music but wil they be accepted by the "scene" ? BD has a hard enough time accepting boxcutter form nth ireland or stuff from cross town . I can't see that given his obvious one eyed support for the london clique and his vested interest with the ammunition camp that he will be laying out the interesting and exciting welcome mate for all to play on.
Who is the "scene" BTW ???
If dubstep is a bass-heavy reflection of our surroundings, now that the scene's gone global, surely many new avenues now open themselves up...
Forget the "scene" it was always only ever about the music to the globalists who were into it and could see what was happening from the early days. Whatever avenues exist now have alway existed regardless of the london scene and have been absorbed and re interpreted.
..the well-proven dead ends of dance music past (liquid & noisy d&b, formula breaks, synthetic digidub, commercial house, etc.)
Wheres the proof ??? If anything Burial proved the dead end of 2step by taking it as far into the darkness as it would go then left it there to rot in all it's former glory.
We don't write about decaying london streets and don't need to see them either. As for the excitement of trying to incorporate hyphy and baile funk ? Me thinks it will only have passing novelty value and if anything be more of a dead end than those other mainstays of UK electronica. WTF is a glacial scandinavian beat anyway ?
Of course chinese/japanese or whatever dubstep producers can come through with the music but wil they be accepted by the "scene" ? BD has a hard enough time accepting boxcutter form nth ireland or stuff from cross town . I can't see that given his obvious one eyed support for the london clique and his vested interest with the ammunition camp that he will be laying out the interesting and exciting welcome mate for all to play on.
Who is the "scene" BTW ???
If dubstep is a bass-heavy reflection of our surroundings, now that the scene's gone global, surely many new avenues now open themselves up...
Forget the "scene" it was always only ever about the music to the globalists who were into it and could see what was happening from the early days. Whatever avenues exist now have alway existed regardless of the london scene and have been absorbed and re interpreted.
..the well-proven dead ends of dance music past (liquid & noisy d&b, formula breaks, synthetic digidub, commercial house, etc.)
Wheres the proof ??? If anything Burial proved the dead end of 2step by taking it as far into the darkness as it would go then left it there to rot in all it's former glory.
Last night I walked into one of the only surviving used record stores in Sacramento, California. It’s a big space with a good and loud stereo system. There began playing this super wicked tune... all rumbling bass, beats, stylish samples, and rain. Sounded like the best dub/triphop tune I ever heard. Muscular and fresh and beautiful production. My 2 year old was dancing in front of one of the giant Cerwin Vega speakers. I headed towards the counter so I could ask what it was, then spotted the open Burial cd case next to the cd changer. Ah, so this is the famous Burial that I had yet to hear. The tune (Pirates) was so sick I promised myself I’d buy it. Sucks that they didn’t have it for sale... it was the clerks own private copy.
I think up until very recently Undisputed Truth/Dubmugga/HellSD etc etc has been pretty well behaved! It was obvious who it was very quickly, (shades of Padraig) but these people in the main (when they aren't being deliberately fuckwit-ish) are entertaining and can be constructive, as long as they don't get all pointlessly vindictive and start killing threads dead with ad hominem "antics" of various descriptions...
But to pick up Undisputed Truth's point, its basically that the "tastemakers" (ugh, for wont of a better word...) within Dubstep are London-centric, which to him feels as if it excludes outsiders from making an impact. Its a valid argument to make, but I'm not sure how much evidence there is for that, given the international nature of the blogerati and the fact that new centres for the scene like Bristol (British, yes, but not London eh?) are opening up. A linked point is that at the moment there is a clear hierarchy within the scene as it stands, with a core of well established producers all with very clearly defined sounds in place. Is there a danger of stasis due to the very success of these people? Of course their own sounds are still evolving apace, but there is the sense that there is a clearly defined generation who are running tings. Will the next stylistic shift precipitate regime change, or does the global expansion give space for a broadening of the palette without inter-generational bloodshed?
But to pick up Undisputed Truth's point, its basically that the "tastemakers" (ugh, for wont of a better word...) within Dubstep are London-centric, which to him feels as if it excludes outsiders from making an impact. Its a valid argument to make, but I'm not sure how much evidence there is for that, given the international nature of the blogerati and the fact that new centres for the scene like Bristol (British, yes, but not London eh?) are opening up. A linked point is that at the moment there is a clear hierarchy within the scene as it stands, with a core of well established producers all with very clearly defined sounds in place. Is there a danger of stasis due to the very success of these people? Of course their own sounds are still evolving apace, but there is the sense that there is a clearly defined generation who are running tings. Will the next stylistic shift precipitate regime change, or does the global expansion give space for a broadening of the palette without inter-generational bloodshed?
the undisputed truth
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^^^mostly it's just blackdowns view on things i take issue with and the whole 'scene' thing. Global dubstep community i can take but 'scene' just sounds so exclusively wank...
...as though a lot of new music and producers won't ever be valid unless accepted by the 'scene'
who or what is the scene ???
...as though a lot of new music and producers won't ever be valid unless accepted by the 'scene'
who or what is the scene ???
UFO over easy
online mahjong
Ahh, now there's a real shit stirring prick.
Undisputed truth could learn a thing or two from that guy if that's his game.
I actually think Padraig can be erudite and entertaining, but when a dispute ensues it just drags on and on and he gets more ridiculously aggressive until his original point (usually correct) is lost in a fog of pedantry. Neither of them are trolls though really, are they?
Undisputed Truth: Its valid to take Blackdown to task, (though he's had a pretty important role in spreading the word about Dubstep, and his articles are compulsory reading in this household at least mainly for his sense of narrative structure, viewing the macro-evolution of dubstep) but the best way to do that as someone mentioned upthread is to create your own take on the last year, and explain why you think he's wrong in terms of why the producers and DJs you rate are better (or at least more of note) than his favourites. I too had a little groan at his top 5 Dubstep of the year, not cos its wrong per se (apart from the Kode9 Album being anywhere near there- "sour tones" still not clear what he means here) but because it lacks any element of surprise. However that's largely cos I've been reading his Blog articles all year! SO if Blackdown is the Dubstep orthodoxy, who then to preach from the fertile margins? Is there anyone in dubstep who actually hates DMZ and Skream, for example? (pretty hard to imagine someone into dubstep and not enjoying at least some of their tracks, surely?)
Undisputed Truth: Its valid to take Blackdown to task, (though he's had a pretty important role in spreading the word about Dubstep, and his articles are compulsory reading in this household at least mainly for his sense of narrative structure, viewing the macro-evolution of dubstep) but the best way to do that as someone mentioned upthread is to create your own take on the last year, and explain why you think he's wrong in terms of why the producers and DJs you rate are better (or at least more of note) than his favourites. I too had a little groan at his top 5 Dubstep of the year, not cos its wrong per se (apart from the Kode9 Album being anywhere near there- "sour tones" still not clear what he means here) but because it lacks any element of surprise. However that's largely cos I've been reading his Blog articles all year! SO if Blackdown is the Dubstep orthodoxy, who then to preach from the fertile margins? Is there anyone in dubstep who actually hates DMZ and Skream, for example? (pretty hard to imagine someone into dubstep and not enjoying at least some of their tracks, surely?)
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