droid

Well-known member
lol. You regularly do the opposite, for which I should be thankful I suppose.

The organ theft thing is a bit of perennial, not helped of course by the fact that it has happened occasionally - Yehuda Hiss for example.

Always found the fixation strange though considering you need look no further than the thousands of dead children and regular use of experimental weapons on civilian populations for evidence of blood thirstiness.

Speaking of israel, 'From Time Immemorial' has to be one of the most enduring literary frauds concerning the region.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps

Ahahaha, oh this is just too good:

With Puar's case as the catalyst, the open letter goes on to bemoan the supposed "suppression of speech or academic freedom related to Palestinian rights or Israeli policies" on "college and university campuses." Predictably, it blames the "millions of dollars in donations" from "political pressure groups" and "right-wing, hawkish Israel advocates such as the casino mogul Sheldon Adelson and media owner Haim Saban" — otherwise known in conspiratorial circles as the Israel Lobby.

First the Dreyfus Affair, then the Protocols - and now the outrageous suggestion that certain wealthy members of the American establishment might be somewhat in favour of Israel!
 

luka

Well-known member
How did they brush all those paedos under the carpet? We were on the verge of exposing Mervyn Brag, then nothing ... Pays to be well connected
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Question: do conspiracy theorists have 'flag wars', wherein false flags are declared to be false flags, and then THOSE false flags are declared to be false flags, and so on?

Logically speaking this must happen all the time, since conspiracy theorists trust nobody, apart from some people, who for some reason are trustworthy.
 

luka

Well-known member
http://internationaltimes.it/north-tower-exploding/
10:28 AM:
top of the Tower: the antenna spire
begins to descend before any movement occurs in the exterior walls
(suggesting the Tower’s collapse begins with the destruction of
what supports the antenna: the building’s fireproof core columns)
How could the debris crush 96 steel and concrete floors
while surging earthward at the speed of gravity?
Each floor shattered before the debris above it made contact
i.e. the debris never collided with any floors.

Most of the jet fuel was gone in the initial fireball.
Black smoke = oxygen starved fires suffocating.
Jet fuel cannot melt steel or iron—
molten steel needs 2750ºF to melt.

1,434 peopled murdered

Over a hundred fell or jumped to their obliteration

The first departure occurred 4 minutes after the first plane hit, from the 149th window of the 93rd floor on the north face of the building. The “cascade” began 7 minutes later, with 13 falls in 2 minutes.

People hugging or holding hands as they fell together.

Did Eddie Torres jump?

Terminal velocity 120 MPH, up to 200 MPH if the person fell with the body straight

Karen Juday identified by her husband in a photograph wearing the familiar bandana she always put on at work, standing in a window frame, holding on, with flames behind her.

Edna Citron seen waving out from a deep gash in the north tower, smoke and flames behind her.

“I think most of the ‘jumpers’ actually lost their grip while gasping for air and were eventually burned out of the building by all the searing smoke, burning up their hands, burning up their backs.”

“It was raining bodies. They were jumping now, one, two, three, four, smashing like eggs on the ground.”

Man in a white waiter’s jacket, black pants, black high-tops, photographed by Richard Drew, frozen in a head-first dive, came to be known as The Falling Man.

Norberto Hernandez?

Jonathan Briley?

“Little people falling like fairies.”

“Some tried parachuting until the force generated by the fall ripped the drapes, the tablecloth, the desperately-gathered fabric, from their hands.”

“They were like big ketchup stains with clothing on top.”

*

21,300 windows
300,000 square feet of glass
100,000 tons of structured steel
2,500,000,000 square feet of gypsum
3 acres of marble
212,000 cubic feet of concrete become

horror dumps of pulverized debris,
molten metal flowing down into the rubble piles,
large salmon-yellow pools of molten metal in the post-collapse basement—
the end products of a radio-computer-initiated firing from Building 7
using super-thermite matches?

Unspent aluminothermic explosives and matching residues
were found in the Tower’s dust

Karen Juday’s jawbone

along with Adolf Rumsfeld’s turned-off cell phone.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Rats,

I didn't want to read it, that's for sure.

9/11: The planes strike - as Martin Amis memorably describes them - 'sleeking in like harsh metal ducklings'.

H.P. Lovecraft is an American horror writer whose stories deal with an Ancient shadowy conspiracy by Alien beings to conquer the Earth. His fictional stories influenced much of growth of late 20th century paranoia that gave rise to conspiracies and conspiracy theory.
 

luka

Well-known member
i remember reading the harsh metal ducklings line and realising amis had completely lost the plot. a lot of people went mad after 9/11. just lost their bearings and their moral judgement completely. fwiw i do beleive there was a cover up.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Nah that was made up, it was a spoof.

I remember watching that 'Loose Change' video and being completely gulled by it. I finished it thinking there was DEFINITELY a conspiracy.

But a lot of that stuff has been debunked.

I'm a completely gullible person, which makes things tricky, because I could easily be fooled by a conspiracy theory but I could also be easily fooled by a conspiracy.
 

luka

Well-known member
might not have been those exact words but if not it was very very close. also very very little has been conclusively debunked.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I remember getting into a right old barney with Massimo on here a few years back about the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing. These days I'm more inclined to side with what you might call the 'soft' 9/11 conspiracy theory, namely, that at least one person fairly high up in the American security/intelligence apparatus had at least some inkling that some major was going to go down, but culpably failed to act, whether out of some misguided notion of it being 'in the American interest' in global terms to allow it go ahead, or for some shadowy reason of personal benefit. Given the manpower, resources and technology available to the NSA, DIA and CIA even then, it does seem hard to believe that the attacks came totally out of the blue for every single spook in the country.

Then again, I remember reading about the quite ludicrous levels of rivalry and lack of cooperation between the major intel agencies at the time (and perhaps even today), so maybe it's better to invoke whassisface's law about how you should not assume malice where incompetence can explain the facts.

(BTW, I can only assume the 'hard' Truther community doesn't include a single blacksmith among its ranks, since anyone who's seen a piece of metal being worked on in a forge will know that metal becomes soft and bendy at temperatures far below its melting point. Hell, you can demonstrate this yourself with a paperclip, a candle and two pliers.)

On another note, does Elon Musk's Matrix/video-game fantasy come under the heading of a conspiracy theory, do you reckon? It seems like pretty much the great-granddaddy of them all.
 

luka

Well-known member
more philosophy thought experiement. its in descartes and further back its in plato too. most importantly its in the matrix, my favourite film.
 
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