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Didn't it originate in a wet market? I'd heard the whole thing was kicked off by people selling live animals kept in poor conditions. That strikes me as dodgy hygiene practices.
Thats not a conspiracy, it's the unintended consequences of systemic dysfunction.i mean that all sounds quite thick but certain groups are more responsible than others for this situation. and to a good degree they’ve conspired to pursue certain interests. maybe that sounds too boring, but its also mass industrial conspiracy to the detriment of humanity.
Yeah I was aware of that actually, but I do think there is something to it. Like Kumar has also said, the outbreak element is much more complex than bad hygiene. I keep thinking about how quick it got to Europe. Like our air travel, it's too much. I follow Herzog on this one, air travel is the wrong way to discover the worldNow you're sounding like luka!
Not to put words in Kumar's mouth, but I think he is saying that you could call what you are calling a systemic dysfunction a conspiracy, cos there are enough interests involved, pushing things specific ways.Thats not a conspiracy, it's the unintended consequences of systemic dysfunction.
its not a singluar conspiracy no, of course not. and it's the consequences of systemic dysfunction, of course. but the risks of something like this happening have been pointed out before, and some people are better placed than others to prevent it happening to this extent. but that is stating the obvious fair enoughThats not a conspiracy, it's the unintended consequences of systemic dysfunction.
wouldnt want to put words in droids mouth either but perhaps they are saying something along the lines that by and large peoples actions are the result of infinite historical variables and they act out roles in a production process in a way over which they don't often have any control, and in that sense talking about this kind of complex event as conspiracy is something that should be avoided all together. and i am maybe saying in a literal minded way, the fact any of this has happened is the partly result of people conspiring at certain points.Not to put words in Kumar's mouth, but I think he is saying that you could call what you are calling a systemic dysfunction a conspiracy, cos there are enough interests involved, pushing things specific ways.
Or, for this discussion, there's enough to make certain people jump to certain conclusions about it?
Well this is certainly true, in the sense that the Chinese government attempted to hush up all news about the initial outbreak until the scale of it made that impossible. And in this country you've got Johnson "recommending" that people don't frequent pubs, restaurants and so on but stopping short of ordering a quarantine, which would allow such businesses to claim on insurance. Is this an active conspiracy involving leaders of the insurance industry? Maybe, who knows? The fact is explained just as well by his trademark cavalier callousness.its difficult to determine where the line in the sand would be that separates the mode of “conspiracy theory” from acceptable analysis aside from their aesthetical differences. i can’t see how this pandemic is not the result of groups conspiring, although that might be too trite to point out?
Surely it goes a bit further than that, and necessarily involves organised intention that is clandestine?I mean the language being used here is definitely an issue. Words being stretched I mean, till they lose meaning.
conspiracy, to me, means organised intention. And I think you could argue certainly that particularly, organised economic (primarily) interests, have had a role in this pandemic.