pattycakes_

Well-known member
Was it on here way back where a few planned to invade a major conspiracy forum, make up your own conspiracies and see which ones stuck?
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
they're putting needles everywhere. needles on the street so you can't take a nap. needles under rooftops, so the birds can't make their nests. needles on top of buildings, so they can broadcast their poison even faster. we don't need any more needles, if anyone is allowed to enjoy the best view of the city, it's the people who live there and not the metal needles of Vodafone or T-mobile or whatever devilish Company

burn them all
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I don't think you're stupid at all, I just think you're hopelessly addicted to the idea that you're party to all sorts of secrets that are hidden from the common man. The irony is that nearly everyone thinks this way now. The educated person's version of this is reading Noam Chomsky or George Monbiot and watching Adam Curtis documentaries (all of whom have worthwhile things to say about the relationship between power and information). The other end of the spectrum is Aunt Karen on Facebook with her posts about how Big Pharma doesn't want you know that alkaline diets cure cancer and that viruses don't really exist.

You're a particularly extreme example, and you veer wildly from the Monbiot end of the spectrum to the Karen end. But this way if thinking is 'common sense' in 2020.
Eden said more or less the same thing three years ago:

I think it's a woeful part of popular culture now. In the 70s and 80s it was only cranks and subcultural types that namechecked this stuff. Arguably it had the potential to be amusingly subversive then (I think that's what Robert Anton Wilson was trying to get at with his "Illuminatus" trilogy certainly).

But the reality of this in 2017 is just shit stoner culture, really. And some guy holding up a pizza restaurant with a gun, trying to find abused children.

I think "Joe Average" is an entirely accurate description. It's not at all unusual to meet people who think 9/11 was an inside job or that David Icke has "some interesting ideas" or that things are controlled by a shadowy cabal.
And if it was widespread in 2017 then it's gone apeshit in the last three years, with Trump normalizing conspiracy theories at the highest possible level, and now a global pandemic on top of that.
 

pattycakes_

Well-known member
Tea's the guy who would be calling you paranoid for claiming our phones were being spied on 10 years ago and then when the Snowden thing went down would be acting like he knew all along
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Shut up you tedious cunt
Seriously though, without wishing to stoop as low as going "haha triggered!", I think it's telling that it's the suggestion that your conspiracy obsession might be a bit commonplace and mundane, and not necessarily a mark of being a dangerous maverick free thinker or enlightened astral master of the Aeon, that's really pissed you off here.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Tea's the guy who would be calling you paranoid for claiming our phones were being spied on 10 years ago and then when the Snowden thing went down would be acting like he knew all along
If you say so, mate. But that falls under the heading of "boring but real" conspiracies, which I've gone to some lengths to acknowledge.

5G mind control rays, genetically engineered viruses and Satanic paedo pizza shops are another thing altogether.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Did you believe in it before Snowden?
I dunno, I don't keep a diary with entries like "Today I realised the existence of PRISM."

It's interesting, too, that you've used the word "believe". Belief is not knowledge. If your default position is to believe anything anyone says about the American government as long as it fits a narrative you've already decided on, then did you really 'know' it to start with? I mean in other threads you've expressed belief in stuff up to and including 'non-human entities' being involved in the conspiracy. There's a danger of being like a person who assumes by default that literally all celebrities are paedophiles, and then goes "Aha! See? Told you!" when a Jimmy Savile or Gary Glitter case hits the news - even though they had no prior knowledge at all.

Being skeptical of official narratives is fine, but apply that skepticism evenly. Don't just assume the government is doing every sinister thing you can possibly conceive of while being uncritically credulous of any story that fits into that scheme, regardless of whether it's plausible (eg. PRISM) or frankly implausible (Satanic paedo aliens).
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Also I don't think there's much more mileage in conspiracy theories as being automatically considered counter to "official narratives" when they're the official ideology of the President of the United States!
 

pattycakes_

Well-known member
Ah, Tea. Ofc not. But usually someone is aware if their mind was changed on a subject as big as that over time. And yeah you definitely come across as the guy who 'rationally' didn't 'believe' in spying and would have tried to patronise people who suggested it was true. Belief was the wrong word, but hey, at least you got to fill out a few more lines of condescension. Yeah I was talking about the forces of evil and how they perpetuate by being passed on from person to person. It's the foundation of karma, in the Buddhist tradition. Something I've explained to you before, when you last tried to use it against me, iirc. I don't know a single person, even in the wildest corners of the conspiracy world who assume literally every celeb is a paedo or satanic paedo alien. Nice strawman attempt with a little semi covert ad hom on the side. Kinda leaping and bounding there, to make a point. Your voice of reason schtick has grown tired, dude. :rolleyes:
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
What's wrong with reason? When did it become a dirty word? And how else do you propose to navigate the world - pure intuition? Divine inspiration?
 
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