Hip-Hop - breaking news, gossip, slander, lies etc

[Poisonous Dart]

Yeah.

You shouldn't assume that people aren't keeping track in the same way that you are.

The issue here is where different people set the threshold at which they consider a song, verse or event to be remarkable. When you get a board such as this one, where people check for many different styles of music each and every day, it takes a little more than a bit of filler from Method Man (for example) to really make a mark.

As you say - this isn't a Hip Hop board so you're not going to see a running commentary centred on what is, after all, a very fast moving scene. That's best left to the blogs, Spine Magazine, XXL, Hip Hop Game, The Smoking Section, Block-Party, TJ's DJs... the list goes on.

Yep...I understand that. I actually come here (and various other sites/blogs) to find out what going on in other unrelated genres of music. No argument from me on the previously posted points. One.

 

[mistersloane]

For the record, I really appreciate what you post, Dart, and you've clued me into alot of stuff, and I'm on most of the hiphop sites daily, and still miss some of the stuff you find.
I saw your response as being a niggle cos someone had slagged of Raekwon, and you were understandably affronted. That 'Fly Shawty Penelope' track kills it.
I don't get why you're not into the Hyphy stuff though. You can't deny Mac Dre was a great character in the vein of P-Funk, and, for me? hiphop is and always will be about the funk. I think I know what you mean, but I'd like to hear why you're so down on it. There has to be a place for pure party music, no? That's how hiphop started.

 

[Poisonous Dart]

True enough....

For the record, I really appreciate what you post, Dart, and you've clued me into alot of stuff, and I'm on most of the hiphop sites daily, and still miss some of the stuff you find.
I saw your response as being a niggle cos someone had slagged of Raekwon, and you were understandably affronted. That 'Fly Shawty Penelope' track kills it.
I don't get why you're not into the Hyphy stuff though. You can't deny Mac Dre was a great character in the vein of P-Funk, and, for me? hiphop is and always will be about the funk. I think I know what you mean, but I'd like to hear why you're so down on it. There has to be a place for pure party music, no? That's how hiphop started.

Hip hop DID start with the party rhymes, and it was party music...lyrics weren't taken seriously except for a few artists that were starting to focus on lyrics and content (Grandmaster Caz, Grandmaster Melle Mel, Kool Moe Dee, etc.) but the IMPORTANCE was placed on who could rock the party....Then came the first hip hop record,,,and then came interest from record labels...then came the money.

When "The Message" dropped, it forever changed the face of hip hop music...it had CONTENT and it sold mad units. Then came "White Lines", the party records still reigned supreme...until two major things happened in 1986. First, crack started ravaging the inner cities of America and it forever affected the content of the music as songs were either about selling drugs, drug abusers (crackheads), or anti drug songs.

The second change was a 17 year old emcee from Long Island that helped to usher in what was to be called "The Next School" (acts like Whodini, Run DMC, and Kurtis Blow were known as "New School"). These emcees were far more versatile and lyrical than the previous party era emcees and their production took advantage of quickly advancing technology and the new and quick evolution/utilization of sampling in Hip Hop music. Emcees like Rakim, KRS One, Just Ice, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, King Sun, Percee P, Kool Keith, Ced Gee, Tragedy, Slick Rick, Ice T, etc. changed hip hop from being 80% rocking the party and 20% showcasing lyrical skill/creativity and great production to 80% showcasing lyrical skill/creativity and 20% rocking the party....this era 1986-1989 is reagrded as the 1st Golden Age Of Hip Hop and the aesthetic for "classic material" as far as Hip Hop/Rap music is concerned was set in this time.

I grew up listening to groups like Brand Nubian, Public Enemy, Poor Righteous Teachers, KMD, X Clan, etc. ALONG with Ice T, Schooly D, N.W.A. and other groups of that nature...I just never was impressed by what could be termed straight up "party music" (although I was a big Kwame, Kid N' Play, Redhead Kingpin & The F.B.I. and Heavy D & The Boyz fan (?)) like 2 Live Crew or groups of that nature...There will AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE a place for dance and party music (that's why it's what ACTUALLY sells)...I just prefer the more serious, lyric based stuff...but what do I know...the overwhelming majority of albums/songs that I think are "classic material" RARELY sell well and never get coverage/spins on radio or video stations...thank God for the internet!

Never mind the bitter "Golden Age/Serious/Conscious Hip Hop" fan...we're a dying breed that have been slowly phased out by the prevailing music of the day. One.

 

[lissajou]

Hip hop DID start with the party rhymes, and it was party music...lyrics weren't taken seriously except for a few artists that were starting to focus on lyrics and content (Grandmaster Caz, Grandmaster Melle Mel, Kool Moe Dee, etc.) but the IMPORTANCE was placed on who could rock the party....Then came the first hip hop record,,,and then came interest from record labels...then came the money.

When "The Message" dropped, it forever changed the face of hip hop music...it had CONTENT and it sold mad units. Then came "White Lines", the party records still reigned supreme...until two major things happened in 1986. First, crack started ravaging the inner cities of America and it forever affected the content of the music as songs were either about selling drugs, drug abusers (crackheads), or anti drug songs.

The second change was a 17 year old emcee from Long Island that helped to usher in what was to be called "The Next School" (acts like Whodini, Run DMC, and Kurtis Blow were known as "New School"). These emcees were far more versatile and lyrical than the previous party era emcees and their production took advantage of quickly advancing technology and the new and quick evolution/utilization of sampling in Hip Hop music. Emcees like Rakim, KRS One, Just Ice, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, King Sun, Percee P, Kool Keith, Ced Gee, Tragedy, Slick Rick, Ice T, etc. changed hip hop from being 80% rocking the party and 20% showcasing lyrical skill/creativity and great production to 80% showcasing lyrical skill/creativity and 20% rocking the party....this era 1986-1989 is reagrded as the 1st Golden Age Of Hip Hop and the aesthetic for "classic material" as far as Hip Hop/Rap music is concerned was set in this time.

I grew up listening to groups like Brand Nubian, Public Enemy, Poor Righteous Teachers, KMD, X Clan, etc. ALONG with Ice T, Schooly D, N.W.A. and other groups of that nature...I just never was impressed by what could be termed straight up "party music" (although I was a big Kwame, Kid N' Play, Redhead Kingpin & The F.B.I. and Heavy D & The Boyz fan (?)) like 2 Live Crew or groups of that nature...There will AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE a place for dance and party music (that's why it's what ACTUALLY sells)...I just prefer the more serious, lyric based stuff...but what do I know...the overwhelming majority of albums/songs that I think are "classic material" RARELY sell well and never get coverage/spins on radio or video stations...thank God for the internet!

Never mind the bitter "Golden Age/Serious/Conscious Hip Hop" fan...we're a dying breed that have been slowly phased out by the prevailing music of the day. One.

dude, i suspect i'm about as old as you are,
and have likely listened to hiphop for about
as long.

while i've lived in nyc,

i was born and dwell in the deep south.

grew up in miami, thus most of my childhood
was accompanied by 808 bass and motherfuckers
rapping badly about their dicks.

thought of myself as a techno dj for more
than a decade, though i've spun the music
you claim to love in parts of the planet
you can't spell.

did crunk in strip clubs for
years, count cats you admire as
friends, and make retarded
beats daily, besides.

for better or for worse,
acts like three six or
lil jon or whomever
speak to people
where i live.

these people,

these BLACK
people,

do not give one
single motherfucking shit
about what it is you call
hiphop.

they enjoy the nelly,
and the lil wayne, and
the jay zee because
they relate to it,

because it makes
makes them
FEEL GOOD.

has anticon ever
made anyone feel
good?

i do not believe this
is so.

while i'd love to be able
to go out and hear
cannibal ox in a club,
this shit will never
happen here.

despite this fact, i meet
as many people equipped
to talk to me about semantics
or drum machines at
any given rap night than
i ever have a noise show.

do with that what you will...

oh, and by the way, ending your
posts with ONE makes you look
mad foolish, son.

seriously, who the fuck does that?

ps- is loren mazzacane more of a bluesman
than leadbelly? i'd really like to know...

 

[stelfox]

I've had the advance for close to a month now and I can't stop playing "Love" f/Pharoahe Monch, "Baby" f/Oh No & Guilty Simpson, and "Won't Do" by J Dilla himself...the album is fire from beginning to end...do not sleep on this...I mean, those of you that actually love hip hop and don't just puruse through it like a semi interesting magazine at the barber's shop/doctor's office waiting room. One.

i actually don't think you like hip hop much. two.

 

[polz]

I grew up listening to groups like Brand Nubian, Public Enemy, Poor Righteous Teachers, KMD, X Clan,

I grew up with that too, and remember these groups (except PE) always being namechecked by people who never liked hiphop before, and were saying that finally hiphop was becoming musical. And what a bore this music was (along with arrested development, remember them, or digable planets, horrible) Give me the 2 live crew over any of this conscious bullshit anyday, they were was sonically way more advanced, and, a lot more fun

I have to second stelfox, dont think you really like hiphop

 

[michael]

Countering one true Scotsman argument ("this isn't true hip-hop") with another ("you don't really like hip-hop") is ... super.

 

[stelfox]

well, it's not countering either of those arguments with the other.
it's countering the idea that people who don't adhere strictly to the tired old new york orthodoxy don't know or care about hip-hop and hip-hop culture.
regional scenes such as crunk, texan rap, hyphy etc are ruling this culture now and defining what hip-hop actually is.
so, it's much safer to assert that people who spend all their time hating on the artists and styles that are making all the running are more likely to be dabblers, people who don't like hip-hop., because they certainly don't like what hip-hop is now and what hip-hop at large has accepted as part of its wider identity.
three.

 

[qwerty south]

http://spinemagazine.com/music/august/outkast/hollywooddivorce.mp3

lil wayne rockin the mic - this stuff is too good (repeat link).

 

[DavidD]

I grew up with that too, and remember these groups (except PE) always being namechecked by people who never liked hiphop before, and were saying that finally hiphop was becoming musical. And what a bore this music was (along with arrested development, remember them, or digable planets, horrible) Give me the 2 live crew over any of this conscious bullshit anyday, they were was sonically way more advanced, and, a lot more fun

I have to second stelfox, dont think you really like hiphop

b-b-but digable planets, Brand Nubian, Public Enemy, Poor Righteous Teachers, KMD, and X Clan are all great.

 

[Poisonous Dart]

No argument....

dude, i suspect i'm about as old as you are,
and have likely listened to hiphop for about
as long.

while i've lived in nyc,

i was born and dwell in the deep south.

grew up in miami, thus most of my childhood
was accompanied by 808 bass and motherfuckers
rapping badly about their dicks.

thought of myself as a techno dj for more
than a decade, though i've spun the music
you claim to love in parts of the planet
you can't spell.

did crunk in strip clubs for
years, count cats you admire as
friends, and make retarded
beats daily, besides.

for better or for worse,
acts like three six or
lil jon or whomever
speak to people
where i live.

these people,

these BLACK
people,

do not give one
single motherfucking shit
about what it is you call
hiphop.

they enjoy the nelly,
and the lil wayne, and
the jay zee because
they relate to it,

because it makes
makes them
FEEL GOOD.

has anticon ever
made anyone feel
good?

i do not believe this
is so.

while i'd love to be able
to go out and hear
cannibal ox in a club,
this shit will never
happen here.

despite this fact, i meet
as many people equipped
to talk to me about semantics
or drum machines at
any given rap night than
i ever have a noise show.

do with that what you will...

oh, and by the way, ending your
posts with ONE makes you look
mad foolish, son.

seriously, who the fuck does that?

ps- is loren mazzacane more of a bluesman
than leadbelly? i'd really like to know...

Yeah, I know....half of my family is from (and most of them reside in) the South, mostly in Florida (Miami and Valrico/Tampa Bay), Georgia (Atlanta and College Park) and Alabama (Slocomb, Dothan and mad other small towns inbetween). They don't care for ANY of the shit I love or hold up as "pure/real hip hop music"...Why should they? It doesn't speak to them, appeal to them, or interest them in the least..I FULLY understand that. That's whay East Coast cats get called "haters" because when they first saw the video for "Tear The Club Up '97" they immeadiately dismissed the Three 6 Mafia and called them wack not knowing they they were outselling artists that they considered all time greats BEFORE they even secured major deals.

A fan of Cannibal Ox DOESN'T expect to hear "Iron Galaxy" played in a club...EVER. It is disheartenting to be in a club and hear 20 straight records ALL from below the Mason-Dixon line, but hey, REALISTICALLY that's what's poppin' right now. Everybody gets their shine, the South, West, Midwest have all repped hard in recent years...people aren't interested in grassroots classic hip hop anymore except for people that post on Okayplayer.com...You haven't told me anything I haven't written a treatise or a blog about before. Nor am I mad about it.

I end my posts with "One" because...it's what I do. I do me. That's what hip hop is all about, being yourself. You do you because I'm gonna do what I do regardless. Thanks for reading my post and the response, I appreciate it. One.

 

[Poisonous Dart]

I am dumbfounded at this statement and conclusion

I grew up with that too, and remember these groups (except PE) always being namechecked by people who never liked hiphop before, and were saying that finally hiphop was becoming musical. And what a bore this music was (along with arrested development, remember them, or digable planets, horrible) Give me the 2 live crew over any of this conscious bullshit anyday, they were was sonically way more advanced, and, a lot more fun

I have to second stelfox, dont think you really like hiphop

Ummm....OK. I don't know what to say to this AT ALL. One.

 

[baboon2004]

Can't we all just get along?

Ultimately, it's fairly obvious to anyone who likes music that hyphy is pretty damn exciting, as were Cash Money and Miami Bass before them.

Anyone who argues otherwise probably preferred progressive house to rave. And that's just mental.

 

[dubble-u-c]

b-b-but digable planets, .

Interesting side note-
E-40 or actually the producer on the track "Yay Area" uses a digable planets sample.

 

[michael]

well, it's not countering either of those arguments with the other.
it's countering the idea that people who don't adhere strictly to the tired old new york orthodoxy don't know or care about hip-hop and hip-hop culture.
regional scenes such as crunk, texan rap, hyphy etc are ruling this culture now and defining what hip-hop actually is.
so, it's much safer to assert that people who spend all their time hating on the artists and styles that are making all the running are more likely to be dabblers, people who don't like hip-hop., because they certainly don't like what hip-hop is now and what hip-hop at large has accepted as part of its wider identity.
three.

Oh, OK, that all makes sense.

I thought you seriously thought PoisonousDart didn't like hip-hop, rather than just trying to point out that his attitudes are similar to those of people who are usually dabbling.

 

[Norma Snockers]

Can't we all just get along?

Ultimately, it's fairly obvious to anyone who likes music that hyphy is pretty damn exciting, as were Cash Money and Miami Bass before them.

Anyone who argues otherwise probably preferred progressive house to rave. And that's just mental.

Each new twist on hip hop doesn't equal great, Hyphy is crap in my opinion, it's souless dire drivvle made not for the 'klubs' but for the hopefull dollar.

 

[baboon2004]

Each new twist on hip hop doesn't equal great, Hyphy is crap in my opinion, it's souless dire drivvle made not for the 'klubs' but for the hopefull dollar.

It may be souless drivvle (sic) to some ears, but that's repeatedly been said down pop history about some of the most vibrant music of the times. And, let's face it, a lot of New York hip-hop could be subject to exactly the same accusations - indeed, when hip-hop's greatest star (Jay-Z, and I am a fan) says that music is just another hussle, then the argument you're putting forward is pretty redundant.

 

[baboon2004]

I did of course mean *hustle*. This inability to spell is catching.

 

[big satan]

yeah but who lives their life based on what musicians say?

 

[mms]

Each new twist on hip hop doesn't equal great, Hyphy is crap in my opinion, it's souless dire drivvle made not for the 'klubs' but for the hopefull dollar.

just out of interest how much have you listened to it ?

alot of music is made to make (rather than loose) money, why wouldn't you want to do that? Most people can't afford to do that.. this is why people take time and effort into making it good quite often, but that's not the main motivation behind most music, trying something new in music doesn't guarantee big bucks anyway. rather reactions like yours more than often.