given he dismissed the whole of dubstep without bothering to have even listened to the DMZ back cat - and then was forced to admit , oh actually, whoops it's quite good, oh and that Burial's not bad neither - how much weight can we assign to his views on funky house? has he even heard any, bar the few examples he lists?
Woebot on funky house
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sorry, but re-reading the medusa stuff i couldn't resist.
So that is what the horror show ep is going for these days? $150 US dollars? 77 British pounds? I would have sold him mine - or traded - for half that price. I mean, the record was available at normal price from shops only two years ago.
i asked the same damn question a while ago
never got a fully satisfactory answer, but liked these answers best =
logan sama said, "it's like a bastard amalgam of Hed Kandi and Defected [though this part doesn't sound so good]. You will hear broken beat, afrobeat, deep house and electro all in one set. It is a scene in so much as it is just a bunch of places playing a type of music.
It's not dissimilar to the original Levan ethos of just playing whatever the fuck you like.
Oh, and gangsters go there with guns and coke and sometimes get in disputes outside."
matt mason said, "My point is, UKG garage was truly amazing as a scene when it was still the really small Sunday scene, 94, 95, 96, when it was largely ignored by the media. The 2-step era produced some great music, and while I personally thought it was a great scene, but a lot of the pioneers were already really disillusioned with it even then - I remeber Cliff the Hat, founder of London Underground FM, quitting the scene in 1998 because it was already too commercial and unrecognisable to him. I didn't get it at the time. By the time I'd heard Champagne Dance, I could sympathize.
"Funky house has been really great for the last few years, and of course it will change as it gets more popular, and I'm sure some great music will be made. But funky house got popular because people wanted to get away from fenced off, franchisable sounds like 2-step, grime etc, and get back to a type of clubbing where DJs can be truly diverse and eclectic and play all sorts of stuff, and the focus is on creating a vibrant underground scene rather than creating a defined, marketable sound that might "blow up". And perversly, that's why it has blown up."
ANYWAY, what's the address of rinse fm these days??? i should probably start tuning in
as for my own position, i'm basically an 79/93 (89/92 concentration) man -- largely for same reasons as woebot advances in his post -- i.e., italo house next to hip house next to deep house next to early hardcore, all the best flavors, whatever moves the floor
i couldn't get into grime, but i do enjoy hearing dubstep out from time to time -- hearing loefah play was one of my better musical experiences of recent years, and i definitely want to hit dave q's dubwar next time he does one
all in all, i sympathize with what appears to be the culture and vibe of the london funky house djs, as described by matt mason. but i still haven't any real notion of what this music sounds like
Grievous Angel
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Actually, surely this is funky 'ouse, to distinguish from the Funky House we are familiar with?
I.e. a derivation of banging 4x4 UK Garage which is similar to Sheffield Bassline House and Speed Garage?
I.e. a derivation of banging 4x4 UK Garage which is similar to Sheffield Bassline House and Speed Garage?
Guybrush
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I think Logan’s definition is the best:
It’s a bit confusing as some of you seem to call 4x4 UK garage funky house. It is, but it’s a whole lot more than that. Accidentally, not even the funky house DJs I know, know how to define it.
Great article! This was spot-on:
Funky house would be sooo much better if they stopped compressing the shit out of every tune. I want my dynamics back!
It’s a bit confusing as some of you seem to call 4x4 UK garage funky house. It is, but it’s a whole lot more than that. Accidentally, not even the funky house DJs I know, know how to define it.
Great article! This was spot-on:
Funky house would be sooo much better if they stopped compressing the shit out of every tune. I want my dynamics back!
UFO over easy
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argh, so there's two funky houses now?
fucks sake, one was enough.
fucks sake, one was enough.
MATT MAson
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4x4 ukg is something else entirely. Some overlap, but a a different crowd.
childrentalking
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"that sleek Mittel-European noodling is boring, you can't imagine people losing control or getting sweaty can you, they might spill their Martinis, get a cocktail stick in their eyeball. They're all too busy networking and taking photos of one another. No wonder most kids want to listen to guitar music!"
sigh, all this anti-'microhouse' rubbish is so ill-informed. can't imagine losing control or getting sweaty? what? seen any club photos lately.
the whole tirade seems to be conflating a Ricardo Villalobos CD with a Ricardo Villalobos DJ set... what a load of crap. as far as going out and dancing is concerned, there's no such thing as microhouse. in 2007, 'microhouse' is just something bad Village Voice and Pitchfork reviews namedrop and misuse (what I learned this week: Basic Channel are microhouse!!), it's not an actual clubbing choice.
and yeah, indie scenesters totally love guitar music because they're anti-networking and just all about the music. puhlease.
sigh, all this anti-'microhouse' rubbish is so ill-informed. can't imagine losing control or getting sweaty? what? seen any club photos lately.
the whole tirade seems to be conflating a Ricardo Villalobos CD with a Ricardo Villalobos DJ set... what a load of crap. as far as going out and dancing is concerned, there's no such thing as microhouse. in 2007, 'microhouse' is just something bad Village Voice and Pitchfork reviews namedrop and misuse (what I learned this week: Basic Channel are microhouse!!), it's not an actual clubbing choice.
and yeah, indie scenesters totally love guitar music because they're anti-networking and just all about the music. puhlease.
viktorvaughn
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I went to the infamous Niche last weekend, thought it was time to visit a garage mecca of sorts!
Guybrush
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If you want to get a snapshot of what is rocking the mainstream clubs I suggest you get hold of some recent Ministry of Sound compilation. Prepare to be underwhelmed.
Actually, I would say 99%, rather than 90%, of all funky house is shit. That being said, mostly, there are a couple of good tunes on there.Someone once said: everything is shit when it’s shit, but house is really shit. So true.
Ashley Beedle’s mix of Just Jack’s ‘Starz in Their Eyes’ is a great example of funky house done right, I think.
Guybrush
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So what’s the difference between ‘microhouse’ and ‘minimal’ (which is frequently used), then?
Wasn't "microhouse" a 2001 Philip Sherburne neologism to describe a limited number of artists (Isolee and Luomo included), which fed into a broader shift in techno/house which now takes in everything from electrohouse, old style minimal techno, dubby Basic Channel stuff, Kompakt/Perlon stuff, bits of tech-house, etc etc... "minimal" now being the umbrella term for Germano-centric, vaguely arty (tho not always), house music.
Robot Needs Oil?
Summerfish?
ELECTRO HOUSE!
I agree with Woebot on everything else. But why are we having this discussion now, a year or so late?
Still loving the range of material coming out... and yeah, the breakdowns are one of things that continually surprise me. People are getting crazy with it.
If you want to get a snapshot of what is rocking the mainstream clubs I suggest you get hold of some recent Ministry of Sound compilation. Prepare to be underwhelmed.
Someone once said: everything is shit when it’s shit, but house is really shit. So true.
Ashley Beedle’s mix of Just Jack’s ‘Starz in Their Eyes’ is a great example of funky house done right, I think.
The recent URBAN HOUSE 2xcd on Defected would be a better place to start
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childrentalking
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'microhouse' is the sherburne neologism yeah. i'd say it very specifically relates to Perlon, earlier Isolee, first Luomo LP etc. and most defnitely NOT most Kompakt, which I wouldn't even class as minimal at any point in its development (there are a few releases on there, sure, but on the whole, no way). minimal as German centric dance music is effectively so broad as to be meaningless.
Guybrush
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‘Yeah Yeah’ actually was something of a mainstream hit over here (it reached number two on the U.K. charts, for example), so it’s a little unfair to compare it with grime or dubstep tunes.