Bicycles without gears/breaks

Woebot

Well-known member
Everyone seems to be riding this in London now.

They used to be the ultra-snobby preserve of elite cycle couriers.

Have to 'fess whenever I see media types and pretty girls on them, even though I suppose the minimal input/output design of them is appealing, I just groan. Loudly. It's just an effing fashion statement.

What's wrong with breaks and gears? Surely they make the experience of bicycling more palatable.
 

3underscore

Well-known member
Fixed wheels (as they are known) are the preserve of cycle couriers and track cyclists. The idea is that they return of force is better as the chain is fixed to the one cog, the mechanical faults are less as there is less to go wrong.

Not having breaks is slightly crazy, as the only way you can slow is by slowing using your legs (a true fix wheel, with no breaks, has no reverse freewheel - your legs move to speed and slow the bike). Frankly, without breaks unless you are very experienced at riding London, these things are suicidal.

Couriers use them often because noone in their right mind would steal one, either.

Didn't realise the yahoo's had decided they were a thing to be seen on.
 

benjybars

village elder.
erm... i ride a fixed!

had mine for about three years now and love it more than anything in the world.. it's so fun. and so fast. and yes, they do look oh so fine...

anyway, whilst they have become trendy recently (sometime in the last three years?!) there's also quite a nice geeky side to the majority of fixed-gear enthusiasts..they just love bikes.. a lot.

(p.s. i'm not a courier. the two times i've tried talking to couriers i got severely blanked. the other day i told a courier i liked his wheels (they were lime green deep Vs) and he tutted and rode off!)
 

benjybars

village elder.
Frankly, without breaks unless you are very experienced at riding London, these things are suicidal.

Couriers use them often because noone in their right mind would steal one, either.


i agree that not using brakes seems hardcore for the sake of it, although i know people that can skid to a stop pretty much as quickly as using brakes... i tried going brakeless for a day and shat myself.


as for no-one wanting to steal them... i wish. :(
 

Jim Daze

Well-known member
most of the hipsters must be riding fixed gear hubs cos those fixed wheels are a death trap if your not experienced, I agree with you Matt it's a sickening trend, theres loads round here, most of these dickheads are hopeless cyclists too all fucking pointy shoes and ipods on the go blaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

benjybars

village elder.
please stop tarring all fixed gear riders with the same brush!!

most are nice, normal people who wear sensible shoes...
 

borderpolice

Well-known member
had mine for about three years now and love it more than anything in the world.. it's so fun. and so fast. and yes, they do look oh so fine...

I have always been tempted by these, they look so cool! but never dared to go w/o brakes. i wonder how much lighter (i.e. faster) they are. I have a really lightweight racer, and virtally never get overtaken, not even by couriers!
 

dHarry

Well-known member
^^ not too normal & sensible, surely? ;)

I'm about to get a bike to reduce the carbon footprint of my daily commute and improve fitness - is fixed-wheel - with brakes! - the way forward, so to speak?

Is wikipedia accurate here?

wikipedia said:
Many people who ride fixed-gear bicycles simply find it more enjoyable than or as an alternative to riding bikes with freewheels. Although the rider cannot change to a lower gear, climbing hills on a fixed gear is claimed by some riders to be easier than with a multi-speed freewheel; some claim it is because it is easier to maintain momentum as the cranks are pushed through the dead centres by the chain, other riders say it is only because a fixed bicycle is lighter than its multi-speed freewheel equivalent. In slippery conditions some riders prefer to ride fixed because the transmission gives feedback on back tire grip.

Descending is more difficult as the rider must spin the cranks at a very high speed, or use the brake(s) to slow down. Most riders are capable of pedaling at 150rpm, but some "fixed" experience is needed to pedal at 200rpm. Nevertheless, the enforced fast spin when descending is claimed to increase "souplesse" (a French word roughly meaning suppleness), which improves pedaling performance on any type of bicycle.

The fact that there is only one gear ratio (fixed not freewheel) can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on the rider. For a rider seeking to ride as fast or as far as possible for a given effort on varied terrain, it is a disadvantage.
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Furthermore, riding brakeless may jeopardize the chances of a successful insurance claim in the event of an accident. It also greatly increases stress on the knees which can lead to injury. Some will have one (usually front) brake for emergencies, for descending steep hills, for safety in the event of a broken or derailed chain, to comply with traffic law, or to prevent knee injury. UK law requires cycles to have two separate brakes, and the fixed wheel counts as one brake. Others will have two brakes for better control in hills, for slippery road conditions, or for use in the event of a broken or thrown chain, broken brake or brake cable.

In the United States, fixed-gear bikes without brakes are illegal in many places. Laws in most states where fixed-gear riding is popular -- including New York, California, Maryland, Oregon and Georgia -- require that bicycles be equipped with a brake that enables the operator to make the braked wheels skid on clean, dry pavement. Still, fixed-gear cyclists and lawyers in those states argue that the rider should count as the "brake" if the rider is able to achieve the same effect. In regulatory terms, the bikes fall in a gray area. The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission says track bicycles are "designed and intended for use in a competition." They are exempt from federal requirements for standard bicycles, which call for bikes to have brakes at least in the rear. Fixed-gear sidewalk bikes -- the commission's term for one with a seat height of no more than 25 inches adjusted to its highest position, and no free wheel -- aren't required to have brakes if they bear a permanent label visible from 10 feet displaying the words "No Brakes." The same label must be displayed prominently on promotional display material and shipping cartons.
 

petergunn

plywood violin
^^ not too normal & sensible, surely? ;)

I'm about to get a bike to reduce the carbon footprint of my daily commute and improve fitness - is fixed-wheel - with brakes! - the way forward, so to speak?

Is wikipedia accurate here?

generally yes...

i used to be a courier and i never had a fixie, tho had plenty of friends who did... i was never really tempted to fuck with them, as a nice fixed gear bike is very expensive and NYC is heaven on earth for bike thieves...

can't remember if anyone else said this, but the other reason people like 'em is that there is less to break on 'em, as gears/brakes are the type of thing that can be fucked up easily if you are riding everyday for 8 hours...

i wouldn't get a fixie for my casual commute, but that's just me... a nice racing bike with gears and two handbrakes will do you much better... if you really become a BIKE PERSON, a fixie is a nice second bike, but i wouldn't want one as my main bike...

they have been very cool among hipsters for a long time... there is a certain type of hipster who fetishizes elements of courier culture, and yes, it is annoying... in nyc at least, most of the couriers i ran into could not have been further from hipsters...
 

Woebot

Well-known member
most of the hipsters must be riding fixed gear hubs cos those fixed wheels are a death trap if your not experienced, I agree with you Matt it's a sickening trend, theres loads round here, most of these dickheads are hopeless cyclists too all fucking pointy shoes and ipods on the go blaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah. thanks jim. it really annoys me.

(sorry benjy!)
 

Eric

Mr Moraigero
I borrowed a singlespeed from a friend for a few months up til about 2 weeks ago, but it was running a freewheel. Still the general geometry was there, even though it was a cheap heavy frame. Verdict: super fun. Nothing to think about (gears), just riding ... I felt ten years old again.

Fixed gears seem to be even more fun. Riding brakeless and skillless is asking for death though for yourself and those unlucky enough to run into you.

Maybe what you guys object to is not the bikes but their passengers?
 

Eric

Mr Moraigero
i wouldn't get a fixie for my casual commute, but that's just me... a nice racing bike with gears and two handbrakes will do you much better... if you really become a BIKE PERSON, a fixie is a nice second bike, but i wouldn't want one as my main bike...
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I want one for my short commute, but not for a main bike which I will ride distance.
 

dHarry

Well-known member
petergunn said:
i wouldn't get a fixie for my casual commute, but that's just me... a nice racing bike with gears and two handbrakes will do you much better...
I want one for my short commute, but not for a main bike which I will ride distance.
But why wouldn't Petergunn want one or Eric want one? For ,say, a 5 mile daily commute, what are the pros and cons?
 
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nomadologist

Guest
i looked up some pictures of "fixies" and i wouldn't even recognize the difference, to be honest, if i saw someone riding this on the street.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
i looked up some pictures of "fixies" and i wouldn't even recognize the difference, to be honest, if i saw someone riding this on the street.

The look of extreme exertion as they attempt to go up a slope or start from rest in a totally inappropriate gear, or the rictus of terror as they realise they're heading for a traffic snarl-up with no brakes, should be enough to tip you off...
 
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