kano last night

zhao

there are no accidents
began the set with a string of bangers, a few old, a few off the forthcoming. really on-point flow - to the extent of sounding almost too rehearsed. but after half to a dozen songs or so the lesser ones come on, and the unfunkiness started to get grating... these shows would benefit from a few feel-good numbers (not in sense of happy-ass shit but in sense of groove), and a little sexy-ness in the music can't hurt either. in the dubstep lounge they were just playing what you guys call "rollers"... parts of it sounded good.

strange that there are not more grime/dubstep parties in berlin... going to anotehr party tonight though.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
danke! i be on da lookout fa sho.

tonight's party promised "dark garage / early dubstep" but the soundsystem was WACK. not enough juice. and i can NOT freak to dubstep on poorman sound. so i went to some big cheesy club instead. shit music but the pretty girls made up for it :)
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
http://music.guardian.co.uk/live/story/0,,2200876,00.html

kano live review.

dont know about grime purists disliking him cos he might make the music popular (his music has nothing grime about it, its only his flow/vocal style that still recalls it, not that often though as the beats arent grime) but i totally agree with the last one and a half paragraphs summary of kanos failings. he really has nothing to say. even on early tracks like ps and qs, its like he can barely finish a thought. even on the police and thieves cover, the story goes nowhere.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
From the Guardian article: "No matter what anyone might say, grime - the London-bred bastard child of hip-hop, ragga and garage - is a stylistic dead end."

The hubris of these people is quite astonishing.
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
yeah i didnt quite agree with some of the dismissals of grime there. but maybe it is true. the artists certainly dont seem to think you can do much with grime beyond aggressive violent bars. when they veer out, it usually turns into something that isnt really grime. its sort of like punk in a way. quite rigid constraints and the artists dont really seem to know how to deviate from those constraints while still adhering to them. or they dont want to.
 

stelfox

Beast of Burden
i kind of agree with some of the stuff that batey is saying, but to write grime off as a stylistic dead end is really dumb. i've never really liked kano at all and the last album really is rotten.
still, not to self-promote, but i think i feel a bit better about this knowing that i got a piece in the village voice today that counters some of this review's pessimism and says that grime is still worth listening to. shame people aren't a bit more positive about it in england, though.
 

mos dan

fact music
i kind of agree with some of the stuff that batey is saying, but to write grime off as a stylistic dead end is really dumb. i've never really liked kano at all and the last album really is rotten.
still, not to self-promote, but i think i feel a bit better about this knowing that i got a piece in the village voice today that counters some of this review's pessimism and says that grime is still worth listening to. shame people aren't a bit more positive about it in england, though.
good for you dave.. cos that is just a dumb, unqualified statement that batey has made.

and, yknow, some of us are trying, over here in england.. *writes angry email to guardian reviews ed*
 

stelfox

Beast of Burden
might as well throw a link up

it is exasperating that people can get away with that sort of stuff, though, especially given that a quick look around reveals plenty to the contrary. it's just pull-quote-oriented polemicist writing, not really telling the truth. sure, say that grime is in a spot of bother, that it hasn't performed as well as was hoped, because that's true. but these things should certainly be qualified by underlining the fact that kano is not making grime and that the desertion of grime by its major players as soon as they get popular has a lot to do with its problems.
 
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gumdrops

Well-known member
a lot of hip hop journos over here dont seem to really care much about grime. whether thats cos they think its crap, they just dont know enough of it, or cos theyre pissed off it got a lot of attention without their help (and cos grime mcs at one point were saying they shouldnt be called uk hip hop) or they think its just some sort of fad and therefore not worth bothering with, im not sure. theyre fine to admit that miami bass is its own genre, or bmore club, or crunk, but saying grime is its own style, they cant seem to do it.

anyway, its boring now to read about grime being dead. just as boring as reading hip hop is dead. or tv is rubbish. etc etc. yawn. there might b some truth to it but just towing the fashionable party line is lazy.
 
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stelfox

Beast of Burden
how often do you see, outside of HHC, british hip-hop critics writing about bmore club or miami bass? i'm only asking because i've never really come across it at all
 
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gumdrops

Well-known member
well there arent many hip hop mags over here are there? so im probably just going on stuff i read in hhc which is important cos theyre the main hip hop mag over here (and they still dont seem to accept it as part of hip hop) or big smoke. to be fair to both though, if theres a big grime artist/release i do see them in there. and they have done stuff on miami bass in the past, as well as bmore via diplo or amanda blank or whoever. what i mean though is that they seem more accepting of the new american sub genre strands like hyphy etc than grime.
 
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