sodiumnightlife
Sweet Virginia
i hear that about the cia all the time, but is it true? where's the proof? (i'm actually asking here, i'm interested, not trying to put it down.)
Impact of smoking ban on clubs
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mike rupert's got TONS of hard proof. from official documents to photographs of huge government cargo planes carrying drugs into the country. there are many examples in this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
think i'll post that link in its own thread maybe
N
nomadologist
Guest
makes sense in some ways.. a great way to keep the poor in the ghetto...in other ways, it sounds a lot like my crazy crazy far far left friends who claim that even chicken joints are planted by the government so black people have heart attacks
N
nomadologist
Guest
this i know to be true...the CIA put a mafia hit out on JFK because he was going to invade Cuba and stop heroin and coke from coming into U.S. harbors. I think there were plans to overthrow Batista. JFK clearly had no idea what he'd gotten himself into...
Gavin
booty bass intellectual
When the smoking ban passed in Ohio, there was a grace period between the vote (November) and when the law actually was enacted (May). About half the bars in the town I lived in banned smoking right after the vote, some bars made nonsmoking sections, some just kept puffing right until the last minute. It was actually pretty nice to have the choice for that 6 month period; I never understood why there had to be a law banning it everywhere. It seems reasonably popular to have nonsmoking bars/clubs, why couldn't some voluntarily ban it?
blubeat
blubeat
I was in a popular London venue recently, no names, and from the bar you could smell the toilets. It was quite a relief (no pun intended) when people started sparking spliffs and cigs on the dancefloor. It was funny seeing adults smoking and looking over their shoulders like they was 10 yeard olds!
john eden
male pale and stale
Because it's mainly about protecting people who work in bars from noxious gas, not punters who can choose to be there.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
But if some bars were smoking and some not, then people who don't want to breathe smoke (but still wanted bar work) could simply work in non-smoking bars. It's not as if jobs are in desperately short supply at the moment.
Something else that's happened since the introduction of the ban is the sight of people who work in bars nipping outside to have a cigarette on their break because the law has banned smoking in their workplace 'for their own wellbeing'.
john eden
male pale and stale
But if some bars were smoking and some not, then people who don't want to breathe smoke (but still wanted bar work) could simply work in non-smoking bars. It's not as if jobs are in desperately short supply at the moment.
Something else that's happened since the introduction of the ban is the sight of people who work in bars nipping outside to have a cigarette on their break because the law has banned smoking in their workplace 'for their own wellbeing'.
I don't want anyone near me smoking while I'm working and neither do most of my colleagues - whether they smoke or not.
And nobody should have to make a choice whether or not they work in a place which forces them to inhale cancer-giving fumes.
Gavin
booty bass intellectual
Really? I have never known a bartender that did not smoke, but fair 'nough.
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nomadologist
Guest
i'm fine with the ban, but honestly wonder why in America we didn't do a split scenario:
why shouldn't businesses have the right to own and operate spaces that have smoking and non-smoking sections, so long as they have completely distinct air supply and ventilation?
that's my two cents on that
why shouldn't businesses have the right to own and operate spaces that have smoking and non-smoking sections, so long as they have completely distinct air supply and ventilation?
that's my two cents on that
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I don't smoke (as a rule: I'd certainly describe myself as a non-smoker) and I worked in a pub for several years. The smoke didn't really bother me except when people did it at the bar, which used to piss me off a bit; it seemed like every other pub but ours had a No smoking at the bar sign up. I guess I worked part-time most of the time though, and I knew I wasn't going to be working there for ever and ever.
I'd be interested to see what kind of risks are associated with working in a bar where people smoke compared to the general pollution levels of living in a big, traffic heavy city (another very obvious source of cancer-giving - to say nothing of asthma-casing - fumes), and I don't see why there'd be a problem in having the choice for both punters and employees of smoking and non-smoking bars to drink/work in. Perhaps bartenders in smoking bars could get a 'smoke bonus' on their salary or something, I don't know.
I'd be interested to see what kind of risks are associated with working in a bar where people smoke compared to the general pollution levels of living in a big, traffic heavy city (another very obvious source of cancer-giving - to say nothing of asthma-casing - fumes), and I don't see why there'd be a problem in having the choice for both punters and employees of smoking and non-smoking bars to drink/work in. Perhaps bartenders in smoking bars could get a 'smoke bonus' on their salary or something, I don't know.
wonk_vitesse
radio eros
I agree here, this law is too blanket, went to see the Bug/Shackleton/Kode9 last night at Plastic People, it was crying out for a mist of skunk in there, all i could smell was persil automatic
i'm not a smoker but i'm beginning to miss those hazy smokey atmospheres.I agree here, this law is too blanket, went to see the Bug/Shackleton/Kode9 last night at Plastic People, it was crying out for a mist of skunk in there, all i could smell was persil automatic
I haven't been down since the smoking ban.I find the thought of a 'smoke free' Forward>> hard to contemplate.
http://www.myspace.com/thekandytangerineman
john eden
male pale and stale
Because
i) people would still have to work in the smoking sections (cleaning, at minimum)
ii) ventilation only removes the odour from smoke, not the toxins.
blubeat
blubeat
Persil Automatic? You are lucky, I went to FWD a couple of weeks ago and all I could smell was the toilets.I agree here, this law is too blanket, went to see the Bug/Shackleton/Kode9 last night at Plastic People, it was crying out for a mist of skunk in there, all i could smell was persil automatic
The other impact of the smoking ban I'm seeing is people at club nights just drunk and not stoned and getting aggy. Rock on the House Party brigade.
Most importantly though...I missed Bug at Plastic People last night? *&^%! What night was it? Don't say Thursday!
mos dan
fact music
I haven't been down since the smoking ban.I find the thought of a 'smoke free' Forward>> hard to contemplate.
it's weird mate, really weird. as is dmz. house party, on the other hand, had atmosphere in spades.. so many smiley happy smokey people. i'm so torn about it though, i do back the ban in principle - and it even helped me substantially cut down on smoking myself. it's really effecting dubstep though imo. i dunno if the fwd 7th bday is going to be in a smokefree place or not...
It's effecting everything I think. Went to see Skream play Fabric last Friday, and when there's no smokey haze around the main room it's just all the clearer that everybody there's a bastard. The minute he went off, Pendulum (ack) came on and this onslaught of people hit the floor, pushing anyone they could out the way to get a sight of them. If everyone had just been a little stoned (passively or not), I don't know if that would've happened...
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noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
I was wondering if it also had something to do with there being a lot of new faces at dubstep nights. I know that's a good thing and inevitable but popularity brings a change. Have to say I have seen some bullshit ignorant attitudes at a couple of things recently.
OTM.