Carl Craigs recent music

zhao

there are no accidents
Yeah that's it. I think it looks worthwhile.

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STN

sou'wester
Ha ha. I'm giving it a chance, you can all laugh at me when it turns out to be a load of twiddly, tryhard garbage.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
i spent a very stoned weekend making free-jazz and beats mashups/remixes one week, played some of the results to a friend... he just looked at me shaking his head with this exact expression:

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i haven't tried anything like that since.

only couple of instances where skronky avant jazz worked with beat driven electronic music to my mind is on ~scape label, there are 2 tracks of this in my Submarine mix. rare strokes of genius...
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
yeah zhao, jan jelinek's 'loop finding jazz records' is one of my favourite records

but it's not really very 'jazzy' at all, tellingly
 

zhao

there are no accidents
yeah zhao, jan jelinek's 'loop finding jazz records' is one of my favourite records

no that's not what I was referring to... (DAMN fine record that it is)

the tunes I'm on about has real skronk sax blowing on it. not even treated or cut up. straight going for the jugular moments that erupt from the digital shards. wicked.

i think it's track 07 on this mix - Andrew Peckler, and another similar moment toward the end, but that one is an "unknown" as i couldn't for the life of me find the cut again after recording the mix.

http://dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=7504
 

slim jenkins

El Hombre Invisible
I too lost track with CC some time ago...funny to think he was regarded as God-like back then but nowadays I rarely revisit although seeing the '69' spin round on the deck does touch on feelgood nostalgia.

As for 'Jazz-Tech' fusion, the good intentions rarely, if ever, produce(d) valid material IMO. Likewise 'Jungle/D&B Jazz' - let's face it, most amounts to nothing more than an acoustic bass line and maybe tricky drums (see Photek, possibly the best stab). Though back then we all thought 'Brown Paper Bag' was amazing. Still have affection for T.Power's 'Mutant Jazz', more for personal reasons, perhaps. But it's stood up quite well.

The Sun Ra 'tribute', I think I tested it - nah. Again, part of me liked to think it was possible to do justice to The Man (wishful thinking) - but it seems impossible through that avenue. I don't think you can take on Sonny except from a completely opposite angle like, um, avant-thrash-metal.
 

Client Eastwood

Well-known member
You could try some of Ian O'Briens productions. Personally I find most of them a bit jazz noodley with the occasional good track eg Midnight Sunshine.

Desert Scores is pretty good.
 

slim jenkins

El Hombre Invisible
You talkin' to me? Sorry, not meant in a Travis Bickle style, honest. Seem to recall his stuff being of the time when folks got the bug for Herbie and bought Arps to noodle on. But without either the compositional ability or playing chops it doesn't have the substance of, say, 'Takin' Off'. The common downfall of all the 'nu' fusionists. No chops.
 

Client Eastwood

Well-known member
They might of used Arps, but I would never compare OBrien to Hancock - Raindance from Sextent says it all. But he has got his place along with Kirk Degregio (sp)
 

D84

Well-known member
That Tres Demented "Shez Satan" EP worked for me.

That Paperclip People CDEP "4 My Peepz"was also great but that was a while ago...
 

slim jenkins

El Hombre Invisible
They might of used Arps, but I would never compare OBrien to Hancock - Raindance from Sextent says it all. But he has got his place along with Kirk Degregio (sp)

Of course none of them could lick Herbie and wouldn't claim to be able to but his name was checked in every interview around that time, it seemed. It was Patrick Gleeson who played 'Raindance', by the way.
 

Alfons

Way of the future
I think his output in the last 2-3 years has been amazing, the remixes especially, Junior Boys remix, falling up remix, faze action... the list goes on.

Im not really familiar with his old stuff except for the big big tunes. Want to get the Sessions CD or the vinyl.

What is he like as a dj? Have heard that he might be coming to these parts this summer.
 

Gabba Flamenco Crossover

High Sierra Skullfuck
Puntang was floating round in the mid 90s, I always loved it. Likewise that Hot Lizard mix he did from the same era which I think got re-released recently. Beautiful noisy hihats and minor key synths, I still love that stuff.

Havent liked anything I've heard in the last few years although a lot of it has passed me by. I thought 'Falling Up' was lame.

Only seen him DJ once and he smacked it, was a long time ago though.
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
I've well enjoyed Carl Craig's DJ sets the few times I've caught him. At the 2001 ATP he kicked off his set with Alice Coltrane's 'Universal Consciousness'.

Unfair to expect too many 'At Les's or 'Ladies And Gentleman's but he still makes really good stuff a lot of the time. Big up Carl Craig.

Anyone picked up the 'Sessions' thing with all the remixes and a DJ mix?
 

smn

Well-known member
Anyone picked up the 'Sessions' thing with all the remixes and a DJ mix?

Yeah. Don't rate it at all though. This is what I wrote about it on another thread here recently:

Carl Craig on the other hand is really hit and miss with me. All of his recent remixes have left me cold (except maybe the R & S one). His Sessions mix disappointed no end, which is no surprise I guess considering it's packed with said remixes. The best stuff on it - his Chez Damier remix, PP's Throw (one of my favourite tracks ever), the 69 stuff - is all old as fuck. I think the man needs to loose the sheen and (re-) find the funk.
 

UFO over easy

online mahjong
the Can thing from recently is cool, and I like Falling Up when it finally gets going. I even like the Congos thing, pointless though it may be. It just makes the original longer, which is a good thing

I have a bit of trouble with threads like this, I think because I don't really understand early-mid 90s techno. Especially the more abrasive stuff (I love basic channel). Aesthetically, sonically I find newer stuff so much more appealing. Couldn't put my finger on why though; I love rough, raw sounding music.. maybe I lack the necessary context. But I never needed the context to fall in love with jungle, or two step. The ..revolutionary arts LP is basically where I start to really like his stuff, rather than the other way round which seems to be more common.

Anyone got any ideas? Not sure where I'm going with this really. I've been trying for a long time with it, and potentially wasted lots of money buying records I don't really like much..
 

straight

wings cru
Havent liked anything I've heard in the last few years although a lot of it has passed me by. I thought 'Falling Up' was lame.

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I cant believe theres so little love for cc's recent work here, the dela+gavin revelee remix from last year still leaves me gawping in a daze. I knows he's formulaic at times (no kick for ages, one filter tweaked for ages, clap, clap, clap, clap, clapclap) but time stands still during that tune, gotten me out of choppy waters many a time
 
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