viktorvaughn
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Yeah, pretty much. Grain is probably a good word to use.
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Yeah, pretty much. Grain is probably a good word to use.
well i recently accused a couple of people of rockism ( probably falsely, and as if it's necessarily a bad thing?) in the Jungle-Tekno thread, for investing in the authenticity of early 90s jungle and dismissing new interpretations...
slackk
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Yes. This whole thread gives me a headache, actually. I'm glad I haven't known about this theory for very long and I'm going to try and forget it.
No diss to anyone mind.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
Yeah, up to a point. My only point was that it's only in that continuum insofar as you can trace a series of tunes influencing each other or scenes developing into each other or whatever from it through to HHC, it's not just that it has a similar sounding beat. Which seemed to be what you were implying about Algerian music or whatever, unless you want to demonstrate that Rufige Kru, 4 Hero, Danny Breaks et al came up with the beat structures they did because they were listening to a lot of Algerian tunes rather than because they were listening to hip hop and hardcore and experimenting with the functions on their samplers...
Precedent does not imply influence, in other words.
agreed. not necessarily. i guess i'm into a looser definition of influence, in the sense that sound structures that have been around for thousands of years are kind of part of one's consciousness, regardless if the musician actually listened to those kinds of records or not...
EDIT i guess in a kinda Jungian sense... maybe i'm crazy
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re: tiny, artifical sound of grime and niche vs. full and rich jungle and hardcore productions.
the plasticy lo-fi sounds at high volumes are a lot more abrasive/piercing/disturbing/stimulating than a more "traditional" well rounded production. and in contrast the sound-design nerd THX full-body and well-rounded thing somehow sounds a little impotent - it is ubiquitous and conventional.
the plasticy lo-fi sounds at high volumes are a lot more abrasive/piercing/disturbing/stimulating than a more "traditional" well rounded production. and in contrast the sound-design nerd THX full-body and well-rounded thing somehow sounds a little impotent - it is ubiquitous and conventional.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Perhaps unsurprisingly, given the context, I read that as 'Junglian'.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
god damn english language can't even make a proper pun
No no, I meant 'Junglian' as in 'of or relating to the work of Carl Jungle'. You know, the well-known psychologist and d'n'b-producer.
noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
I'm afreud that's just not very funny.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Bah, that's just lacan of cheap putdown I'd expect from you.
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Grievous Angel
Beast of Burden
IMO, it's harder to do the grime dayglo sonic plastic thing than it is to do grainy stuff. To do the latter you layer samples or just programme up something with a "realistic" patch. To do the plastic sound in a way that sounds primitive and basic is actually very hard to do properly. And the rhythmic invention in grime programming is significant - you don't just knock it out of Music on a PlayStation2, you have to have real technical chops (in music on a ps2!). Or Fruity - it's not easy at all to do a dillemma or a know we.
Just a geeky perspective on this
. And anyway there's loads of "grain" on grime records - it's called MCing!
matt b
Indexing all opinion
szasz enough of that, thank you.
bassnation
the abyss
yeah, don't deluze yourself that this kind of cheap pun is funny.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
Get out. Just get the Foucault.