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scottdisco

rip this joint please
having now read the entire thread i see Nick_G just said everything i said, except far shorter and better with his 'stream-consciousness' shout.. :eek:
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
Not sure about Wiley but twitter could turn out to be a breeding ground for clashes. Chipmunk has been talking a bag of shit on Dot Rotten and Griminal on his twitter page.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
...emotional issues...

Blogger and Wordpress etc allow far longer pieces so, analysis, teased-out views, not just the 140 character limit, and at least tumblr allows you to embed photographs and such.
thought that Clay Shirky quote was on the $ - as mediums get faster they get more emotional, less rational, less time to think before you act.

like the idea of minimal communication forcing people to say more w/less but in practice I'm sure 99% of it is embarrassingly stupid txt spk.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
Everyone's talking about how instrumental twitter was in the Iranian movements over the past couple of weeks, but was it really? I wonder whether the movement just happened, and then was "tweeted" after the fact...

Which is a obvs a great use for Twitter, but still, I'm unclear as to how Twitter "caused" this..
 

scottdisco

rip this joint please
Everyone's talking about how instrumental twitter was in the Iranian movements over the past couple of weeks, but was it really? I wonder whether the movement just happened, and then was "tweeted" after the fact...
no you're exactly right there Nomad.

four_five_one and Padraig, in particular, on the Iranian democracy thread, have been making this point consistently.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
i'm on there: dj_zhao

not convinced but gonna see if something good can come out of it.
Zhao gives good Twitter. No obsessive entries regarding every last piss you need to take in a day, good links, and occasional reflections on something.

For some reason, not many of my friends are on it. But the ones who are seem to be superannoying with it, texting in updates like "having a drink, looking out the window!" and shit.
 

polystyle desu

Memories of green
Everyone's talking about how instrumental twitter was in the Iranian movements over the past couple of weeks, but was it really? I wonder whether the movement just happened, and then was "tweeted" after the fact...

Which is a obvs a great use for Twitter, but still, I'm unclear as to how Twitter "caused" this..
To be clear, Twitter came to the fore as other medias were fire walled , banned or silenced .
Hard to say what if anything was 'caused' by Twitter.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
Everyone's talking about how instrumental twitter was in the Iranian movements over the past couple of weeks, but was it really? I wonder whether the movement just happened, and then was "tweeted" after the fact...

Which is a obvs a great use for Twitter, but still, I'm unclear as to how Twitter "caused" this..
i don't think anyone thinks it "caused" anything, just that it was one of the only ways to get what is/was happening out to the world, that's all. wasn't youtube used a lot for this too?

everyday i get emails so and so is now following you, and i have no idea who they are or how they found me. like that Patrick Dixon who's environmental and political tweets are totally awesome... he seems like a professional twitter-er with 15 or more well researched tweets a day (how does that work??) i wonder how he found me.
 

scottdisco

rip this joint please
i don't think anyone thinks it "caused" anything, just that it was one of the only ways to get what is/was happening out to the world, that's all. wasn't youtube used a lot for this too?

everyday i get emails so and so is now following you, and i have no idea who they are or how they found me. like that Patrick Dixon who's environmental and political tweets are totally awesome... he seems like a professional twitter-er with 15 or more well researched tweets a day (how does that work??) i wonder how he found me.
yeah me too, P Dixon! he's great.

and sincere thanks for the African proverbs h/t Zhao, they're wonderful.

as for the "caused", i fear perhaps over on the Iranian democracy thread we all agree on a basic set of premises including the sort of reasoning i quote from Z above re Twitter, but some of our phrasing toward Twitter has been, perhaps overly so, robust.. ...it would be different if some of us were running around making over-inflated claims about it, but none of us are, tbf.
 

continuum

smugpolice
i wonder how he found me.
You can search for key word or trends which brings back tweets with the words you've specified. I posted a quote that mentioned the words "fitness centres" and then got followers who tweet about fitness for example.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Everyone's talking about how instrumental twitter was in the Iranian movements over the past couple of weeks, but was it really? I wonder whether the movement just happened, and then was "tweeted" after the fact...

Which is a obvs a great use for Twitter, but still, I'm unclear as to how Twitter "caused" this..
i don't think anyone thinks it "caused" anything, just that it was one of the only ways to get what is/was happening out to the world, that's all. wasn't youtube used a lot for this too?
This has been discussed & dissected at great length so as Scott said I'll just refer you to the Iranian Democracy thread from I dunno, page 15 on or so.

but, very briefly - Twitter etc. didn't cause Iran's hideous economy, or its massive drug problem, or its enthrallment to a group of aging hardline clerics, etc
 

mos dan

fact music
Not sure about Wiley but twitter could turn out to be a breeding ground for clashes. Chipmunk has been talking a bag of shit on Dot Rotten and Griminal on his twitter page.
where's chippy? i've followed and then un-followed a lot of grime mcs tbh.. too much fraff (i'm sure the same could be said about me).

twitter itself is fantastic tho imo: for links, for up to the minute news, for silliness - even for work www.twitter.com/danhancox
 

optimum

Poochie
where's chippy? i've followed and then un-followed a lot of grime mcs tbh.. too much fraff (i'm sure the same could be said about me).

twitter itself is fantastic tho imo: for links, for up to the minute news, for silliness - even for work www.twitter.com/danhancox
Yeah it's great, have got plenty of good links/info/drugs through using it so far. I was wishing that Wiley was on it the other day...
 

four_five_one

Infinition
Yeah, I got a bit carried away by Twitter's role in Iran at first, which Padraig rightly picked me up on. Although in my defense I was thinking more of the potential of it, rather than the actual role it played, which wasn't really clear at the time.

Anyway, here are three skeptical articles about it (apropos Iran):

http://openanthropology.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/americas-iranian-twitter-revolution/
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2009/tc20090617_803990.htm
http://www.digiactive.org/2009/06/20/iran-beyond-headlines/

I suppose it's more interesting to look at how it's affected how we (those not in Iran) perceive events, rather than any effect it's had in Iran wrt organizing protesters etc - where it was used but just as one tool among many (i.e. not to the extent some of us would've liked to think).

The internet is obviously the biggest technological change in media and the way overseas news is reported since Vietnam, where the televisual spectacle provoked mass protest; but most of us still get our news thru third party sources, online newspapers etc. Twitter differs in that it appears to give unmediated access to the thoughts and feelings of those actually involved, and is - because of this - so much more brutal and affecting, now that we're so cynical and apathetic toward worldwide events as reported by the traditional mainstream media. It's the interactive aspect that appeals -- the 'participant voyeurism' noted in the first link. The participant aspect is illusory, of course, all your clicking and twittering is doing is adding to the background noise, glorying in the spectacle, not liberating Iran...
 
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