timbaland/neptunes

gumdrops

Well-known member
the first NERD album (the first version) is essential if you wanna hear the neptunes at their best - very similar in the sounds used to their production work and amazing as tracks like southern hospitality were, more complex.

not sure if theres a definitive album of timbalands beats, but he did give a lot of amazing tracks to early missy.
 

michael

Bring out the vacuum
^ It was released, but then pulled. Supposedly because the Neptunes weren't happy with it, but I always assumed it was more to do with label pressure. *shrug* Pure supposition, though...

I saw copies floating around after the second version came out, but usually selling for a mint in smaller shops targetting the few who would care.

(That was in Australia, I should say, and long enough ago that they've subsequently done another 2(?) NERD albums...)

Definitely copies about online - I checked out MP3s of it having bought the second version and didn't feel wronged at all. Maybe that's heresy though. ;)
 

tox

Factory Girl
Finding a physical copy of the first N.E.R.D. album can be a chore. There are certainly digital versions around though...

Anyone heard the live version of Pharrell's album? It was recorded with Questlove in a very short period of time but shelved as the original version sold so badly. Heard a few tracks on the radio - sounds at least as different to the digital version as the two versions of "In Search Of...".
 

RAISED BY WOLVES

Active member
Swear Youtube has deleted all of my examples.

I was going to post:

Noreaga-Grimey

and

Timbaland Feat. Bubba Sparx and Jadakiss-They ain't ready

But both have "been removed"
 

sodiumnightlife

Sweet Virginia
Finding a physical copy of the first N.E.R.D. album can be a chore. There are certainly digital versions around though...

Yeah i been looking on blogs, not found anything yet though. It's a fairly un-googleable name.

Youtube's a joke nowadays, everything's been deleted.
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
attn: corpsey from the past!

usher - u don't have to call
latrelle - my life
latrelle - house party
noreaga - superthug
snoop dogg - beautiful
clipse - ride around shinin'
clipse - mr me too
clipse feat birdman - what happened to that boy
ludacris - southern hospitality
natasha ramos - midnight hour
justin timberlake - rock your body
702 - i still love you
beenie man - gal dem sugar
britney spears - slave 4 u
rick ross - presidential (pharrell only)
busta rhymes - as i come back
busta rhymes - light ya ass on fire
jadakiss - knock yaself out
jay-z - fuck all night
frank ocean - sweet life (pharrell only)
 

rubberdingyrapids

Well-known member
people are much too much in love with the idea of timbo the auteur. the best songs on timberlakes first album were always the ones by the neptunes. rock your body, like i love you, all instant classics imo. i think timbo will always be preferred by dance music fans or people that like their R&B/rap producers to be firm auteur figures for his colder sonics and generally less R&B elements - cry me a river is def much more european than the neptunes songs. basically, timbaland might be a better technician or producer, but the neptunes have always written better songs. timbaland as a producer always has to dominate a track with his name on it. pharrell might be a bit of a punchable poser but he at least knows how to write good pop/R&B songs. timbo does good beats.
 

outraygeous

Well-known member
After the Timberlake album, The Neptunes tried to re create with with a guy called Kenna

He features on 2 outstanding 'Neptunes' sound beats


 

CrowleyHead

Well-known member
people are much too much in love with the idea of timbo the auteur. the best songs on timberlakes first album were always the ones by the neptunes. rock your body, like i love you, all instant classics imo. i think timbo will always be preferred by dance music fans or people that like their R&B/rap producers to be firm auteur figures for his colder sonics and generally less R&B elements - cry me a river is def much more european than the neptunes songs. basically, timbaland might be a better technician or producer, but the neptunes have always written better songs. timbaland as a producer always has to dominate a track with his name on it. pharrell might be a bit of a punchable poser but he at least knows how to write good pop/R&B songs. timbo does good beats.

I think the big difference is, the Neptunes songs on Justified were pre-assembled, where "Cry Me A River" is a joint operation between Timothy, Justin and Scott Storch (reportedly).

Neptunes are great songwriters, but that's the thing, they have a deliberately musical approach, whereas Timbo comes from a more off-kilter, rap producer... His whole R&B thing comes from being picked up by Devante Swing and being modeled AS an R&B producer, for working with R&B artists. It's very close to the Prince formula I was describing... He's at his best when the talents surrounding him (Missy, Static, Danja, whomever else) are able to provide him with a sort of conceptual spark. Also, it's telling that the one person who was always at home in his songs was Jay-Z. He never had to figure out how to craft songs around these gimmicks, because all he had to do was find the beats and work around it.

Discussing Neptunes Vs. Timbaland is easy to disrupt though because Tim OBVIOUSLY inspired the Neptunes whole "inorganic" obsession. Before they were either interested in constructing tight little grooves, and they were funky. But it wasn't until post-Timothy you started hearing them mess around with these unusual samples and noises. I do believe Timothy provoked that in them, that such weird little things could be the very thing you could base a whole song around. A song like Ludacris "Southern Hospitality" comes to mind.

Also interestingly enough, so many Timbaland rip-offs, progeny, admirers... Darkchild, Bangladesh, Polow Da Don, Danja, etc. But who are the Neptunes babies? Obviously you have underground artists like Tyler, but I can't think of new rap producers who ever modeled themselves stylistically after the Neptunes sound. At least off the top of my head.
 

rubberdingyrapids

Well-known member
obv tim is more influential, or has more followers, and changed programming in R&B/rap for quite a few years. but hes too insecure as a producer and alwyas has to dominate. either that or hes just terrible at picking collaborators. yes, hes made numerous classics, but he seems to prefer working with so-so talents (missy, bubba etc) even if they do have distinct voices. maybe he likes the challenge..... but whether the neptunes had their songs already prepared or not doesnt really change that timbaland just isnt a songs kind of guy. i dont know why they arent or havent been as influential, i think its just because although they had signature sounds, by and large their real ability was as writers, whereas timbaland was pretty much all about certain sonic innovations. fwiw i think the best rappers timbaland worked with was ugk/jay-z on big pimpin, ludacris, or even though i dont really like her that much, missy. she was obv his greatest muse, even if shes mediocre.
 
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