The meaning of "funky house"

[boomnoise]

I'd agree but the sonic lineage is clearly a huge melting pot. You can hear 80s funk and rare groove, 80-90s nyc house, deep and otherwise, as well as acid and 'ardcore. This is what's making it exciting. It's really opened up house to a lot of (new) ears and perspectives.

Tune of note on the lfo / bleepy thing has to be Mr Roach and total confusion.

 

[Client Eastwood]

I'd agree but the sonic lineage is clearly a huge melting pot. You can hear 80s funk and rare groove, 80-90s nyc house, deep and otherwise, as well as acid and 'ardcore. This is what's making it exciting. It's really opened up house to a lot of (new) ears and perspectives.

Tune of note on the lfo / bleepy thing has to be Mr Roach and total confusion.

Yeah I think urban youth will bring something new and raw to it. And the fact now it is seen as acceptable to listen to house with the badman crew Loads of my mates stopped listening to house and techno back in the day and moved to hip hop. And now it seems it all coming around again.

 

[shiels]

Tune of note on the lfo / bleepy thing has to be Mr Roach and total confusion.

where can i hear this?

 

[faustus]

where can i hear this?

was on footloose's show a couple of weeks ago - i posted a download link in the funky thread i guess around the end of november?

 

[boomnoise]

on footloose again this week as it goes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/footloose/

 

[shiels]

Hmm, bad use of the sample imo, i'd rather hear LFO.

 

[Badga Tek]

i honestly think that people did and still do (myself included i am sure) break it into inappropriately large segments and then embrace or dismiss a lot of music on that basis.

And, yet, this is perhaps an inevitability. 4x4 dance music is such a huge swarming (foreboding even) mass of sub-genres, labels and 'faceless' producers (the relatively common practice of using their full names rather than an alias can make it difficult, at face value, to remember who's who) that its incredibly difficult to get a foothold on the various scenes. The amount of effort required to keep up with whats coming out and whats going on within the various 4x4 scenes would be staggering.

Surely, its incredibly difficult to do anything other than generalise about huge swathes of 4x4. I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could plenty of good tracks within the happy hardcore or scouse house scenes, for example (ie. 4x4 sub-genres very widely completely written off). But most people don't have the time to look into it closely.

Its great that people are discovering some good stuff within the funky house scene but this has only come about because a load of grime heads have jumped on to the sound and started mutating it and, perhaps more importantly, UKG stalwarts like Geeneus, Kode9 and, to a lesser extent, Marcus Nasty have helped promote it.

(Allow the muddledness. I don't normally write long forum posts)

 

[UFO over easy]

Its great that people are discovering some good stuff within the funky house scene but this has only come about because a load of grime heads have jumped on to the sound and started mutating it and, perhaps more importantly, UKG stalwarts like Geeneus, Kode9 and, to a lesser extent, Marcus Nasty have helped promote it.

yeah for our demographic that is possibly true (can't speak for elgato or anyone else in this thread) but that's because it's our background, and we're projecting it to what we're listening to now. it's a comfort thing, something which im sure will dissipate the deeper in we get

you can say that for a few of us but house music is bigger than that and people like kenny dope/maw/karizma/dennis ferrer etc are very successful and would be huge without the support of the figures you mention. their tunes were (presumably) being played by loads of DJs in funky raves before there was an established uk focal point, and being raved to by loads of people in london before kode 9 and before marcus nasty.

it's tempting to see it like how you say and it's difficult to get a balanced view when we're so immersed in other musics, but there are so many elements in this that have helped a community emerge i think it would be a mistake (or even just a bit boring) to boil it down to just one of those, even given the obvious significance of mak 10/marcus nasty/geeneus emerging as leading figures in that community. it would be a shame to separate uk stuff from all the other more established sick dancefloor house music just on the basis of peoples backgrounds

 

[Grievous Angel]

Yes, but the reawakening of interest in 4x4 is evidence of the endless self-regenerating fertility of both the 'nuum and of house music itself.

 

[Badga Tek]

I think that last bit came out sounding more critical than I meant it to.

I meant that while its good that people are discovering that actually not all "trad" funky house should be dismissed, it doesn't change the fact that people do, and will always continue to do so, write off huge swathes of 4x4.

Who knows maybe in a few years some London youngers will start incorporating psytrance sounds into some new 'nuum mutation and we're all start talking about how actually all those old Infected Mushroom records are really good. Stranger things have happened.

 

[mms]

played out old uk bleep stuff andf nyc house into funky and a bit of duke dumont etc, into garage into dubstep and grime last night.
People just thought the funky stuff was either african ( african guy came up to me and said this is african house) or they thought it was house or garage, some dickhead was screwing me wanting straight garage, ( which i had a bit of on me in a small amount), i crossed old 4 4 garage with the funky stuff, the garage is warmer and bassier, but its a nice contrast.

 

[shiels]

Sounds good mms, you have any mixes online in a similar vein?

 

[mms]

Sounds good mms, you have any mixes online in a similar vein?

no i haven't got my stuff set up like that, i should though.

 

[gremino]

Who knows maybe in a few years some London youngers will start incorporating psytrance sounds into some new 'nuum mutation and we're all start talking about how actually all those old Infected Mushroom records are really good. Stranger things have happened.

You never know!!

Though I think that'll happen only if "new 'ardkore" borns. It seems that new nuum mutations are always from black music, but psytrance is white. 'Ardkore sampled from belgian rave which was white, so maybe the new one takes influences from hardhouse, hardstyle, nu-style gabber which are quite much lineage from belgian rave sound right? OR, much more interesting would be if that white influence would be psytrance, because that kind of influences nuum music haven't still took. It would be a mixture of black & white.

We'll see if coming years recession creates a new '92...

 

[bassbeyondreason]

I tried making some grimey trance over the summer (I love psytrance in theory, it's just the actual music I hate). Also, not necessarily psytrance, but the trance influence that's around in a lot of soca/dancehall/rap these days is bound to filter in somehow.

 

[DJ PIMP]

We'll see if coming years recession creates a new '92...

hasn't this already been happening for a bit this year and last? you've got people like:

rico tubbs
fukkk offf
jots
brodinski
fake blood
crookers
etc

there's lots of old skool sounds freshened up (stabs, breaks, pitched sampled chords), non-linear track structure etc etc.

even something like zzt - the worm, is a real old school bass techno grinder...

there's a good tiga live set from a big recent rave in denmark. high mental factor.... Can't find a link but it's Tiga - Sensation White - Denmark 11-15-08.

 

[mms]

hasn't this already been happening for a bit this year and last? you've got people like:

rico tubbs
fukkk offf
jots
brodinski
fake blood
crookers
etc

there's lots of old skool sounds freshened up (stabs, breaks, pitched sampled chords), non-linear track structure etc etc.

even something like zzt - the worm, is a real old school bass techno grinder...

there's a good tiga live set from a big recent rave in denmark. high mental factor.... Can't find a link but it's Tiga - Sensation White - Denmark 11-15-08.

alot of that stuff is all really unpleasant mid range abrasive 'being shouted at' basslines though, the sound of beer and coke, worst of modern 'loudness wars' compressed into the mids rock dynamics transplanted for god knows what reason onto dance music.

 

[DJ PIMP]

alot of that stuff is all really unpleasant mid range abrasive 'being shouted at' basslines though, the sound of beer and coke, worst of modern 'loudness wars' compressed into the mids rock dynamics transplanted for god knows what reason onto dance music.

yes and no

 

[shiels]

alot of that stuff is all really unpleasant mid range abrasive 'being shouted at' basslines though, the sound of beer and coke, worst of modern 'loudness wars' compressed into the mids rock dynamics transplanted for god knows what reason onto dance music.

Well put, i'd agree. OVER HERE!!!11 music. the likes of Crookers and Fake Blood are like Caspa & Rusko in that their tunes are good once if you're drunk enough but i wouldn't go back for repeat listens, very little feeling or subtlety. This sort of stuff is the diametric opposite to uber-clinical, no risk, no climax minimal.

 

[Corpsey]

alot of that stuff is all really unpleasant mid range abrasive 'being shouted at' basslines though, the sound of beer and coke, worst of modern 'loudness wars' compressed into the mids rock dynamics transplanted for god knows what reason onto dance music.

This is kind of how I feel about a lot of the stuff Sinden/Herve play, you've managed to describe that 'I can't put my finger on what annoys me about it' quality that I haven't been able to... The compression is an issue, although I wasn't sure if that was just because I'd downloaded the Sinden/Herve essential mix and Radio 1 compresses things to fuck anyway.

I do like some of the tunes though.