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I've been into PiL since I was like 14, nice try. This is the defining song of Male Lesbian existence:

Say how we de-mystify romanticism. I think this is a good idea, I want to hear more about it.

I'm just here to talk about strategies for fighting the manosphere. I definitely think we don't need more manly men. If anything we need more feminine men. How many feminine men are there out there? Also for all the argument about definitions, I gave a definition of masculinity as...

I looked into it a little. Do you know what the canonical text on it is? I guess I would question what the cost of gender is? Though I suppose you could say that heterosexuality for example blocks a man from potential male sex partners, and thus closes off relations between an individual and...

What's costly signaling?

Hmm, I was thinking more of gender as a sexually selected mating strategy and a Darwinian species, a species that changes due to environmental conditions over time. Hence we could look at the evolution of gender as the success of some behaviors in gaining communal acceptance as definitive of a...

I want to combine Judith Butler and Darwin, of course!

One more thing: I think anyone can see that this does not count as specific behaviors that critique the patriarchy. I asked, "How do you critique the patriarchy?" He is literally saying "People critique the patriarchy." He is not giving examples or being specific. He is just restating the...

I think that's a viable response. I don't see any place where you said that, but it's a fine strategy. How would you cure such pain though? If there are concrete actions that would ease the pain, what are they? Nope. Never said that. Yes, it's a complex, interlocking masculine system. The...

And once again, cisheterosissies are cisgendered, not trans. And actually I am Matt Walsh's worst nightmare because I define what is a woman.

Again the reason I said no one here wants to fight the patriarchy is that no one gave any strategies for fighting the patriarchy. The closest we got was a guy passing out platitudes about how we should be nice to women and date them. Too bad he forgot that incels don't date women. So that was a...

The term is cisgendered heterosexual sissy. So no drag. Try again. Here's a hint: my idiosyncratic interpretation (or as Butler would say, my attempt at a "resignification") of the word "sissy" means a man who acts feminine while presenting as a man. This is why it's not just about femdom. After...

Right but you can't take a goal like stopping men from turning to violent terrorism and achieve that goal by terroristic means.

Are you saying that anti-capitalism and feminism aren't worthwhile endeavors then? Are you saying there's no alternative to the dominant mainstream culture? I think counterculture is worth pursuing. I also think that men can see how things like conventional beauty standards and economic...

How do you recommend I refine my arguments? Eventually I want to write a dissertation on male femininity and Butler, so I'm all ears. (I have an MA, not a PhD.)

I mean that's Butler's point though. Despite efforts to the contrary, our definition of masculinity or femininity will always be historical, unstable, incomplete and in need of updating. Starting on shaky ground is just fine with me. Yes, but as I said the point is not to remove the pain, but...

What do you reccomend? Also, if this is really an incel forum, I shouldn't post here...

The patriarchy is masculine culture, I don't see why anyone would deny that. I'm just reccomending that men represent an alternative to mainstream culture. What's the correct binary we should start on?? Also I agree that we should build communities that spread love. But where's the love or...

I'd say that's a correct characterization of incels, but I'm trying to use love to reach incels. I promote feminine culture, a feminist alternative to incel culture. My question is, how do we get incels to re-direct their pain to turn it against the patriarchy?

Listen, if there's one thing I know, it's that, if a guy is telling you directly "I'm not a reductionist" and you still argue he's a reductionist, then you're attacking a straw man. Please no strawman arguments. Do any of you who believe I'm a reductionist actually have an argument for why a...