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Yeah... hey, it's crowd-pleasing music... that's where Hip Hop and House really converge, both use their more innovative aspects for the sole purpose of rocking the dancefloor... I guess there was already a plundering of Rave and Electro in Hip Hop earlier in the decade, but where I'm seeing...

Hmmm... yeah the Aeolian is one of the minor scales, the natural minor... but as far as the Arabic scale, your totally right, harmonic minor was the scale I was refering to (which would be Aeolian with a raised 7th), which I've often heard refered to as Arabic (though it's p'raps used more to...

I like how the timbre of the bass in this stuff is all bright and vivid but the tonality in the b-lines is minor, sinister, 'criminal'. Makes for a weird sensation, like candy-colored gangsta. Especially with those pompous, Dre-style minor-key chord vamps painting up that cartoon-gangsta...

Totally... it's like Hip Hop's so clubby these days that it's starting to become just a good-times dance genre, which I suppose would open it again to House/Tech elements, tempos... also to Freestyle/Miami/Electro flavas. I've been noticing traces of these vibes emerging for sure, particularly...

The Field - From Here We Go Sublime... easily my favorite this year, pulsating, blissed-out, valium-house. Gui Boratto - Chromophobia... yeah, pretty good, the breakdowns are predictable but I'm really digging the more starry-eyed tracks (def NOT including Beautful Life... really doesn't...

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Some great points on this thread... I wonder what conditions in the last 5 years have contributed to the popularity of all these beardo/space/hippie influences lately (not just in disco, but folk, psych, some noise, etc)... Is the timeliness of it all simply a matter of these styles having...

Totally agreed. Edit: and cheers on the recommendations, all.

But I always felt that while jungle/2step/garage/grime/dubstep carried on some of hardcore's more innovative aspects, happy hardcore continued rave's early optimism and E'd-up rush that the "propa" nuum discarded... which was also a big aspect of rave's early vibe, even if the music was much...

Great point... People talk about "Detroit purism", but there's definitely a "Nuum purism" too. Like the only music that counted as rave was ardcore (sure, originally perhaps, in the UK, but soon afterwards and elsewhere...?), and the only version of hardcore (besides at times Belgian hardcore)...

True, but we never really had a sense of the UK definition of rave out here either. By the time it really took off, "rave" in the US just meant trance, happy hardcore, and jungle/dnb. The majority of the kids didn't know about the history (except the junglists), the differences between the UK...

This thread is reeaally making me want to hunt down some early trance, but I have no idea where to start, 'cept an ex-girlfriend who had some but I ain't calling her. Have some of the artists mentioned earlier in the thread been (early) trance or more proto-trance, acid/crusty techno?

I love Black Moth Super Rainbow. Good call on Fujiya & Miyagi too. Hadn't heard Unsolved Mysteries yet, but I really like the atmosphere to their stuff.

I really like what I've heard of these guys so far.

Nice, thanks for the link...

Yeah, sometimes I've wondered if minimal's going to evolve into a less bloated form of trance, kind of been crossing my fingers actually, but there's alot of nu-deep sounds seeping in now too, which is also nice.

I like the idea of "trance music"... but wouldn't all house and techno be trance music? I'd reckon (actual) minimal stuff like Villalobos and Basic Channel would be the most truly trance-inducing, rather than melody-and-build/breakdown-centered trance. Tho there probably is something to be said...

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To be fair though, these guys were influenced by the "whiteness" or "Europeanness" of Kraftwerk. German "stiffness" or whatever are cultural generalizations, but aren't they discernable enough in a culture's artform or as a pop culture archetype or trope as to merit discussion or reference in...

Totally, but that doesn't stop academic types from getting rational about the irrational, tho I probably do that too when I try to analyze it all. :rolleyes: That's why I dream of a theory which is totally absurd, which is driven by the same irrational, inevitable, non-neccessity as music...