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But Simon aren't you really saying that the Dylan fervour comes from everybody BUT your age group? (And actually it's your UK age group because here in North America, people your age - which is about the same as or a couple years older than mine - seem to like Dylan just fine, thanks.) In other...

Jungle and grime, not so much, but there's a ridiculous amount of Smiths influence currently evident in indie North America - I refer you to the Decemberists, Stars, Pernice Brothers, the Dears, Metric, Hidden Cameras, etc., and that's without even thinking about it. My thoughts on Brit-decline...

Whaa? First, which part of Buick6's remark had anything to do with sexual orientation? ("pinko" = commie, not pink-triangle) Second, Frank Black's a husband and father. Bob Mould is (relatively) openly gay. So their orientations aren't even similar.

"Therefore, to pretend you're "working class" (which MIA may or may not inadvertantly have done) is to commit a form of theft, its to commit an act of brutality against oppressed people. And THAT'S another reason why I can't stand the MIA record." Matt, are you not verging here on saying it...

A few more such notes: The late-Coltrane influence on the early seventies Detroit scene of MC5 and Stooges = underlying free-jazz-derived skronk factor in punk guitar, just plain permanently. (Which should not be confused with all "noise" elements in guitar music because there's also the...