60's Dad Canon Psychedelia
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padraig (u.s.)
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I know it's pain to read thru threads + I often don't do it, but I said literally the same thing a few pages ago
I'm not defending 60s psych as psychedelic
by psychedelic guitar music, I mean Spacemen 3, Can, Les Rallizes Denudes, the first Ash Ra Tempel LP (posted upthread), Hawkwind
most of the guitar things patty mentioned (besides Soft Machine, no thx), plus some more
don't have time for a comprehensive list of my own rn
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Bend Me Shape Me is tite tho I agree
one of those out of time tracks the first time you hear it you're like this came out in that year? no way
de facto proto-shoegaze/noise rock biz
one of those out of time tracks the first time you hear it you're like this came out in that year? no way
de facto proto-shoegaze/noise rock biz
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I'm just saying judging 60s psych on whether it itself is sonically psychedelic is missing the point
sadmanbarty
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that seems to be the emerging consensus.
my not getting that speaks to uncle simon's notion of music no longer being "surrogate literature".
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
as I mentioned upthread the true 60s psychedelic guitar music is things like Amon Duul I
parts of the Velvet Underground, and the Stooges (who started off, don't forgot, as super weird almost performance art)
parts of the Velvet Underground, and the Stooges (who started off, don't forgot, as super weird almost performance art)
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
and so on
pattycakes_
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You ever heard Third by the Soft Machine, padraig?
luka
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What is the point, just out of interest ?
pattycakes_
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Brilliant thread this. Shame I've not been able to contribute more.
In a move that may get me banned from Dissensus, I will admit to actually like a lot of the toytown psych stuff (that's what the childlike British stuff is often called). This has nothing to do with taking drugs though, I haven't for years. I think when I got back into record collecting, I discovered this stuff and it just struck me as extraordinary weird pop music. A lot of this stuff has great harmonies and hooks and the appeal is the same as listening to 80s soul in that way, just with a layer of out of time weirdness.
This is a classic case in point:
I write this well aware that I am I think the only Dad who has so far posted, and this is deep in the retro zone.
Something a bit heavier, that maybe has some of the geometry that Barty is talking about it:
Heard about this via Patrick Lundborg's Acid Archives which is a record collector's guide to rare 60s/70s psych and private press LPs. Lundborg was interesting - he was a real acidhead and was into some contemporary psychedelic ambient electronics stuff as well. His last book was about what he called the psychedelic renaissance taking place now. It was called Psychedelia - An Ancient Culture, A Modern Way Of Life though I've not read it.
Psychedelic culture is traced from its beginnings with the hallucinogenic celebrations at Eleusis 2,500 years ago, acknowledging in parallel the ancient shamanic plant drug cultures of South America and Mexico. A permanent alternative spiritual culture of the West is outlined as Lundborg follows the impulse from Eleusis through the Neoplatonism and pantheism of the Middle Ages, the rise of hermeticism and esoteric alchemy during the Renaissance, up to the highly visible psychedelic scenes of the modern world.
In a move that may get me banned from Dissensus, I will admit to actually like a lot of the toytown psych stuff (that's what the childlike British stuff is often called). This has nothing to do with taking drugs though, I haven't for years. I think when I got back into record collecting, I discovered this stuff and it just struck me as extraordinary weird pop music. A lot of this stuff has great harmonies and hooks and the appeal is the same as listening to 80s soul in that way, just with a layer of out of time weirdness.
This is a classic case in point:
I write this well aware that I am I think the only Dad who has so far posted, and this is deep in the retro zone.
Something a bit heavier, that maybe has some of the geometry that Barty is talking about it:
Heard about this via Patrick Lundborg's Acid Archives which is a record collector's guide to rare 60s/70s psych and private press LPs. Lundborg was interesting - he was a real acidhead and was into some contemporary psychedelic ambient electronics stuff as well. His last book was about what he called the psychedelic renaissance taking place now. It was called Psychedelia - An Ancient Culture, A Modern Way Of Life though I've not read it.
Psychedelic culture is traced from its beginnings with the hallucinogenic celebrations at Eleusis 2,500 years ago, acknowledging in parallel the ancient shamanic plant drug cultures of South America and Mexico. A permanent alternative spiritual culture of the West is outlined as Lundborg follows the impulse from Eleusis through the Neoplatonism and pantheism of the Middle Ages, the rise of hermeticism and esoteric alchemy during the Renaissance, up to the highly visible psychedelic scenes of the modern world.
woops
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<3 this record
version
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luka
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Not heard this gods thing before. Enjoyed it. Cool doors rip off. Got that incantatory quality I like.
Leo
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cool stuff, made me think about how creation records tried to redo that sound in the 80s with early pastels, biff bang pop, primal scream, the loft, etc.
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sufi
lala
i distinctly remember disappointment and bewilderment on purchasing the 1st Flodd LP, 2nd hand, in the mid 80s having long heard of it's psychedelic cred - i was baffled to find it full of ditties about effing gnomes and so on, other syd barrett LPs had a little more that i could connect with. i attempted also to make contact with the like of the byrds and the dead, without really connecting at a transcendental level at all. and as folksy ballads about the scene and so on it was not hugely compelling.
the tweeness is like a cosy home counties Surrealism - they were throwing off the pop shackles by wierding out via what was then actually a viable art movement, though not one that is really seen as serious these days. very soon the scene developed it's own wild visual identity of glowing colours bubble writing etc what we think of as trippy these days
but! there was on that 1st LP "Interstellar overdrive" a singular track representing the pulsating throbbing kaleidoscopic drone manifestation of psychedelia. late 80s i saw hawkwind cover it with full oil lamp swirling lightshow etc and that for me was one end of that particular continuum (the crusty end). meanwhile there were kind of neo-interstellaroverdrive-ists like loop and spacemen3 who pushed the swirling heavy guitar drone to another sonic extreme - kind of the opposite end of that indie psychedelic spectrum to the creation lot leo mentioned above (with the likes of jesus and mary chain as the link one generation back - i found primal scream's claims to psychedelia more obscure)
each generation has been on a quest to define it's psychedelia, and the youth have had to get through a lot of overblown wishful thinking and miscommunications by stoned artists to find even the merest glimmers of illumination