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    Yeah, much better when millions die as a result of Western bombs and we can pretend its for the greater good.

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    Russia, Iran and the Syrian state are bombing hospitals and rescue workers while the world watches and wrings its hands (or rubs them with glee, in some cases). But mention that it's conceivable that this may have been prevented and suddenly you're a cheerleader for killing "millions" of civilians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefinga View Post
    Syria is the model of a world where the west isn't willing (or capable) anymore to wield it's power. The multi-lateral world so many "anti-imperialists" are cheering for, and this "new world" isn't a pretty sight at all.
    A multi-lateral world has been the norm tho surely, with a brief interregnum from 1991-2010ish of a unipolar world. That period wasn't pretty either - the West has never exercised its power without recklessness, self-interest and blatant disregard for human life.
    The newly shaping world is definitely grim tho, I agree, and anti-imperialism has to oppose all imperialisms - American, Russian, Chinese, European, Iranian

    I'm sure I'm behind the curve, but Russian activity in building military alliances in Africa suggests the new world is about to be shaped even further.
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    conspiracy theory regarding Syria: as shared via social media by german right wing politicians from the AfD ("Alternative für Deutschland"):

    War in Syria: Isis (and Al Quaeda) products of US/Israeli-government/secret service to destabilize the Middle East - possibly topple Anti-Israeli errr i mean Anti "zionist" regimes/leaders - and in the process islamize Europe via refugees - made possible via Soros sponsored NGO's. Assad, Putin and Iran heroes against Western imperialism and defenders of international law.

    Those guys are in the German parlament, and reaching majority in assorted Eastern Germany (former GDR) regions.
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    Syria latest: Russian plane shot down by Syrian AA gun.

    Israel's fault, obviously.
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    What is worse is that the Turkish left is totally complicit in all these racist attacks on the Syrian and other immigrants. Ever hostile to proletarian internationalism, the main body of the Turkish left sees its best opportunity to seize power positions in an alliance with a moderately secular racist Kemalist regime, as opposed to the conservative racism of the AKP. Turkish left is completely incapable of envisioning an internationalist world without borders. In the last elections almost all major parties supported the openly anti-Arab mainstream opposition coalition. For instance, ODPs leader (Freedom and Solidarity Party), one of the biggest left-wing parties in Turkey agreed to ran in the Kemalist CHPs list in Istanbul municipal elections, TKP (the mainstream stalinist party) pulled out from the election in June (in support of the CHP candidate) and HDP (the Kurdish opposition party, which many socialist parties and groups support) openly supported the CHP candidate for Istanbul. For these nationalist left-wing groups and parties uniting under the banner of an anti-Arabic coalition is convenient, since they can't envision a secular and internationalist program. From the Turkish left's standpoint the choice is between islamism or secularism. Instead of a class struggle perspective this is the fake bourgeois duality they accept and force upon the working class.
    Internationalists in Europe, the middle East and elsewhere should know that:
    1) Turkey has become a vast concentration camp for immigrants from the middle East and Africa.
    2) The EU's policies against immigrants are more vicious, sinister and successful than even that of the US. By turning huge countries in its periphery (not only Turkey but also Libya etc) into prisons, the EU indirectly and de facto reestablished slavery. EU capitalists are taking in as many immigrant laborers as they need to exploit for cheap and they are expelling the rest to be exploited or die in even worse conditions in its peripheral slave states like Turkey.
    3) Internationalists can not turn a blind eye to the suffering of immigrant proletarians in these states, nor they can trust the local official left-wing groups and parties. These middle-class nationalist parties are openly racist and chauvinist and they are tailing behind the government or official bourgeois opposition parties.
    4) To show class solidarity, the first practical step the European internationalists can take is to tell the workers of Europe the truth about the situation of immigrants in Turkey. The EU policies must be exposed and its covert support for Turkey must be stopped.
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    Turkey launches ground assault on Syria's Kurds; Republicans turn on Trump

    AKCAKALE, Turkey (Reuters) - Turkish troops and their Syrian rebel allies attacked Kurdish militia in northeast Syria on Wednesday, pounding them with air strikes and artillery before launching a cross-border ground operation that could transform an eight-year-old war.

    The assault began days after U.S. President Donald Trump pulled American troops out of the way, prompting denunciations from senior members of his own Republican Party who say he abandoned the Kurds, loyal allies of Washington.
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    shameful, abandoning an ally who fought beside our troops. I'm sure trump having investments and properties in turkey didn't have anything to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    shameful, abandoning an ally who fought beside our troops. I'm sure trump having investments and properties in turkey didn't have anything to do with it.
    Absolutely. and while we're at it: Erdogan marching in, apparent breach of international law, war-crimes just a matter of time. Mostly shrugs from the "International community".

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    Haven't sanctions been threatened? Maybe I have that wrong.

    Hideous the way he's using refugees as a threat as well. I read a Tweet saying the best way to deal with that is bloody embrace them. Let them know that this xenophobia won't wash..... Except it does with large blocks of people but I think we spend too much time ceding space to racist shit.

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    I heard on the radio that Erdoğan has said, in so many words, "Don't fuck me off or I'll shunt 3m Syrian refugees into the EU."

    What an absolute fucking piece of work that man is.
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    Letter here protesting forced deportation of Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria, where they face the threat of torture and conscription.
    http://www.syriauk.org/2019/10/stop-...miDb1Tk3QWc3f0

    What a horrible fucking state of affairs. If this war ever ends, we'll look back on one day as a real fucking nadir for anything like civilised values.

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    I'm going to post the letter as I'm sure no cunt will click through and read it. It sounds like Erdogan is really weaponising the presence of Syrian refugees in true xenophobic fashion.

    Dear Commissioner Hahn, High Representative Mogherini and High Commissioner Filippo Grandi,

    We, the undersigned Syrian and international human rights organizations, are writing to ask you to urge the Turkish authorities not to deport Syrian refugees from Istanbul and other cities to Syria, where they face a real risk of detention, torture, and death.

    On 20 August the Istanbul governor's office announced that Syrian refugees in Istanbul who are registered under the country's temporary protection policy in other provinces must return there by 30 October. Turkey's Interior Ministry has also said that unregistered Syrians found in Istanbul will be sent to other as yet unspecified provinces in Turkey. Since late 2017, Istanbul and nine other provinces have stopped registering newly arriving Syrian asylum seekers, forcing many to live in Turkey without a temporary protection permit.

    In addition, in recent months, xenophobic sentiment towards Syrian refugees in Turkey has escalated , fueled in part by hostile rhetoric from politicians across the political spectrum who have promised voters to send refugees home.

    Since mid-July, activists and human rights organizations have documented many cases in which the authorities have arrested and detained registered Syrian refugees outside their registered province. The arrests have included those traveling from other parts of Turkey to their registered provinces, as well as unregistered Syrians. The authorities have coerced Syrians into signing “voluntary return” documents before deporting them to Syria.

    In July and August, 6,160 and 8,901 Syrians — both registered and unregistered — were deported to Syria from Turkey through the Bab al-Hawa border crossing, according to the Syrian immigration authorities' website. This is a significant increase compared to previous months and coincides with the July policy change. These figures may also include Syrians intercepted and deported shortly after they crossed into Turkey, a practice that has been going on for a number of years.

    Reports from media and activists in touch with our organizations confirm that the Turkish police have beaten detainees, denied them medical care and, in some cases, sent them to Idlib and northern Aleppo, where more than 1,180 civilians have been killed since February 2019, according to the local monitoring organization, the Response Coordination Group.

    By deporting refugees and asylum seekers to a war zone or to areas where there is a real risk of persecution, Turkish authorities are in violation of their obligations under international law, and specifically the prohibition on refoulement. The Syrians being sent back not only face being caught up in the offensive in Idlib governorate but are at risk of arrest and torture at the hands of the Syrian government or armed groups.

    Syrians we have spoken to describe how afraid they are now in Turkey. They stay at home to avoid arrest, including once they have returned to the cities where they were registered.

    In August, the EU announced a further € 127 million to boost its Emergency Social Safety Net program for refugees in Turkey. In total, the EU has pledged € 6 billion in refugee funding to Turkey, while the UNHCR continues to support Syrian refugees in the country.

    However, neither the European Commission, EU member states, nor UNHCR have spoken publicly about these deportations, despite the clear risk that large numbers of Syrians in Turkey's cities now face. They should press the Turkish authorities to stop all forced return of Syrians, including an end to coercing Syrians into signing voluntary repatriation forms, and to give those already deported to Syria the option to return to Turkey.

    Member states, the European Commission and UNHCR should also commit to increasing their presence in Turkey's removal centers to ensure that Syrians are not coerced into signing voluntary repatriation forms.

    If needed, they should support Turkish authorities to register unregistered Syrians and ensure ongoing financial support to Turkey to better protect Syrian refugees.

    We also urge EU member states to resettle significant numbers of Syrian refugees from Turkey.

    Sincerely,

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    Syrian Center for Media and Freedom of Expression
    Syrians for Truth and Justice And Justice
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    The Syria Campaign
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    I wonder if Erdogan will become enough of a nuisance that they do him like Saddam and Gaddafi.

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    Well, that assumes "they" have some traction in that part of the world and aren't just ceding it all to Russia, Iran and Erdogan and retreating into glorious isolation. Doesn't seem to be a massive problem for anyone in power, having genocidal dictators out there rn.

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